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Data breaches by Mermaids exposed in the Times

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truthisarevolutionaryact · 15/06/2019 18:46

Mermaids has apparently put lots of confidential data online including private emails, personal data and emails demonstrating the pressure they have put on the Tavistock.
Andrew Gilligan article - share token:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/parents-anger-as-child-sex-change-charity-puts-private-emails-online-tl0g5hwcg?shareToken=2f8ddc23419c61360023562a62e74d13

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Popchyk · 16/06/2019 16:54

It is as if Mermaids writes the original statement quickly, releases it, then looks on Mumsnet for information on what the glaring howlers on it are.

Then they rewrite the original statement and then release the revised version as if the original had never happened.

We've seen it time and time again with their "press releases".

They come across as utterly shambolic.

And they always inadvertently reveal so much about themselves.

TheMostBeautifulDogInTheWorld · 16/06/2019 17:16

"Mermaids now has the internal processes and access to technical support which should mean such breaches cannot now occur"

What; since Friday? You've entirely revamped your "internal processes and technical support" to remedy such an appalling breach - in forty-eight hours??

DeRigueurMortis · 16/06/2019 17:16

Or more likely a call from the lawyers at The Times asking them to exactly why the article was transphobic, citing the many other instances of data breeches by other organisations they've reported in the past - and posing the question as to why they feel Mermaids should not be held to the same standards.....

AnyMinuteNow · 16/06/2019 17:17

Im really not convinced about bountys serious breaches coming anywhere near the distress and damage caused by releasing young childrens actual words and personal emotional and psychological truths and experiences.

Its liked being burgled Angry - but worse, a lot worse and the potential for harm is much greater.

Good children safeguarding

AnyMinuteNow · 16/06/2019 17:21

Omg theyre all attacking us type reaction from them, is unbelieably unprofessional and frankly something the youngest of children would say to manipulate and gaslight

AnyMinuteNow · 16/06/2019 17:25

should mean such breaches cannot now occur
Well, thats no guarantee of anything, and woefully inadequate commitment to future protections

EndoplasmicReticulum · 16/06/2019 17:29

Can I ask a stupid twitter question?
I went to have a look at it in relation to this subject and typed in "Mermaids Gender" in the search box - the Top News story is apparently about the Mumsnet data breach? See screenshot.
I am not logged into twitter because I don't use it. Is this weird? The Mumsnet data breach was in February.

Data breaches by Mermaids exposed in the Times
LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 16/06/2019 17:53

Hahahahaha. Someone is playing SEO.

KatvonHostileExtremist · 16/06/2019 17:57

Well done to the archive team.

Mermaids seem to be very slippery in their nature. As well as fishy.

AnthonyCrowley · 16/06/2019 17:59

Well if transphobia is a crime and mermaids called The Times article transphobic in their first tweet cant the times sue them for libel?

OrchidInTheSun · 16/06/2019 18:06

Gilligan has posted this on twitter.

So in their statement, they say that no personal details were compromised and yet they've said they'll be in touch with people whose personal details were compromised. 🤔

Data breaches by Mermaids exposed in the Times
ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/06/2019 18:08

Interesting that Gilligan seems to have a mole...

KatvonHostileExtremist · 16/06/2019 18:13

A poster higher up the thread asked about the origins of Mermaids. There was another thread about it somewhere. (Throws up the Ro symbol) Mermaids started as a parental support group for transsexual children, who were under the Tavistock Centre. I remember seeing a web archive ? From them, about 2011/12. The advice was watching waiting and could have been written by transgender trend!
Then came the zealot that is Suzie Green, with her own agenda, to back up the decisions that she had made in her life, with her child.

And a monster was created. A support group, became a lobby group. Green must have a certain charisma, the way she's won over organisations like West Yorkshire Police, to her ideology. There is no scientific research to back up this change in approach. It's ideological, pure and simple. It screams Kids Company.

They can't even be trusted with basic data protection. No one should listen to these people.

AnyMinuteNow · 16/06/2019 18:31

Very risky conclusions drawn from 'normal' childhood developmental behaviour.

Resulting in permanent sterility and irreversible changes on developing children.

Where does one go to raise child safeguarding issues?

Anlaf · 16/06/2019 18:31

I'll never match R0 but this might help Katvon

From 2009
Active Mermaids members are mainly parents or young people - some of our children are transsexual, some are not. Some of our children have attended the Gender Identity Development Service of the Portman Trust, two of whose clinicians are in an advisory position on our Committee.

Perhaps also it might go some way towards explaining transgender issues in adults, such as transvestism, and transsexualism - each adult transgendered person was once a gender variant child, but please never forget: a gender variant child or teenager will not necessarily grow up to be a transgendered adult.

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20090626134957/www.mermaidsuk.org.uk/intro.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20090626134957/www.mermaidsuk.org.uk/intro.html

(I think there's an even older site somewhere)

Thingybob · 16/06/2019 18:40

but please never forget: a gender variant child or teenager will not necessarily grow up to be a transgendered adult.

I think all Mermaids trustees, staff, volunteers, parents and kids need to read this

HumberElla · 16/06/2019 18:47

but please never forget: a gender variant child or teenager will not necessarily grow up to be a transgendered adult

This highlights exactly how their focus as an organisation to support parents has shifted to instead lobbying hard for medicalised child transitioning. No U turns allowed and no acknowledgement now that kids might desist.

RedToothBrush · 16/06/2019 18:49

Haha.

They put out another statement!?

Thats hilarious.

The fact they realised they'd fucked up that too. Was it lawyers going 'you said what?!' or MN?

I'd love to think it was MN but I think it unlikely.

RedToothBrush · 16/06/2019 18:56

RoyalCorgi
The Graun's opening paragraph:

A charity that supports transgender children has apologised and referred itself to the information commissioner’s office following a data breach that led to the publication of parents’ personal emails online."

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD
You couldn’t gold plate that turd.

It looks like they emphasised that it was the parents' data and emails rather than it relating to parents' and childrens' data...

... So they did some attempting to polish this particular turd.

The fact that it was children's information is very important as it relates to severity of the incident and their capacity to consent about their own future and issues relating to their own health.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/06/2019 18:57

They put out another statement!?

No. They altered the original so that no-one would notice.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 16/06/2019 18:58

Is the gruniard piece open for comments?

twelvecolourfulbirds · 16/06/2019 19:02

From The Times article:

The emails also show co-operation with the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC), another official body with a public stance of neutrality in the transgender debate. In the correspondence, the EHRC appeared to seek trans test cases against schools and service providers.

Stephanie Davies-Arai, of Transgender Trend, a group concerned about the rise in the number of children transitioning, said: “The EHRC has demonstrated clearly that it is not impartial.

“There needs to be a full investigation into the activities of Mermaids and the influence of the transgender lobby on a public body mandated to protect the rights of everyone.”

The EHRC is chaired by David Isaac. He has been in the role since 2016.

Prior to that, he was chair of Stonewall, 2003-2012.

He was also a trustee of Big Lottery Fund, 2014-2018. They fund Mermaids.

He is a lawyer. His firm has been named by Stonewall as the UK's top LGBT+ employer 2019.

Isaac has been named regularly as a top LGBT influencer in the Stonewall awards. Including in 2019.

Isaac was chosen by Nicky Morgan (Education Sec at the time) after having been put forward by a Whitehall select committee.

He has not given up his personal legal role whilst chairing the EHRC. Questions were asked at the time of his appointment about this potential conflict of interest. Harriet Harman (Parliament's joint Committee on Human Rights) in particular was concerned that he could not avoid conflict with his business interests, and questioned why these interests had not been raised as an issue prior to his appointment.

Chairwoman of the Women and Equalities Committee, Maria Miller said: “The public appointments process needs to command the confidence of members of the public. MPs have been given a central role in scrutinising that decision-making, yet some aspects of this are opaque. In this case the appointments panel did not document any discussion as to how Mr Isaac would balance his role as a senior equity partner in an international law firm with the role of chair of the EHRC despite potential and perceived conflicts of interest and possible issues with the Nolan Principles. Records of further conversations between Mr Isaac and the Cabinet Office were also unavailable to the committee. To scrutinise important appointment decisions House of Commons committees need basic facts. In this case these were not forthcoming. In our report, we recommend that the pre-appointment scrutiny guidelines be reviewed."

Harriet Harman also said at the time:

"What you should be having for the EHRC is someone who is a champion for human rights … You have to be fearless against the vested interests. The lion’s share of his income will be coming from an organisation that has a vested interest. As they say, ‘he who pays the piper calls the tune’.”

Sources for the above: Isaac's own profile page and reporting from the Guardian.from 2016

There was much discussion at the time about whether his business interests would put him into conflict. Did anyone ask whether his connections with Stonewall would put him into conflict? There's no suggestion that he is personally involved with the EHRC requests for test cases from Mermaids. However, surely the buck stops with him and his fellow board members. The following is is stated on the EHRC commission and governance web page:

The Board has a strategic oversight role. It does not directly manage the Commission's operations, but delegates that role to the CEO and the Commission’s staff. It holds the CEO and the staff to account by monitoring performance against the Commission’s strategic priorities and ensuring that resources are being used to good effect.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 16/06/2019 19:09

When I was a child my mum used to make comments about organisations being in bed with others, dodgy men in the public eye, charities/groups not being whiter than white, people conspiring against women/child rights, deeds being covered up... I thought she was just being paranoid.

She was right about a lot of men in the public eye who have now been found to be paedophiles/abusers, and now it looks like she was bloody well right about a lot of things.

Anlaf · 16/06/2019 19:22

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20091009054236/www.mermaidsuk.org.uk/news2.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Mermaids 2009:

Gender isn't an issue for 3-year-olds: If your son enjoyed dressing in a clown outfit and one day announced that he was a clown, you wouldn't worry that he was going to want to wear nothing but clown suits when he was 12, would you? And even if your son develops a lifelong predilection for dressing in women's clothing, it may interest you to know that most cross-dressing males are heterosexual.

The bottom line: This is nothing to worry about. Announcing that he is a girl is no more significant than our daughter Amy announcing at age 3 that she was Jennifer. Within a year, Amy was again telling people her name was Amy, and within a reasonably short time your son will let go of the "I'm a girl" thing.

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20110809103828/www.mermaidsuk.org.uk/New%20Mermaids/whatisgid.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Mermaids 2011:
A child becomes aware of its gender identity before or around the age of five years, in many cases as early as 2 or 3 years of age. In most people their gender identity is the same as their sex, i.e. a woman or girl feels she is female and a man or boy feels he is male, but in a few people their gender identity and their sex do not match, and this can cause problems.

Interesting change in tone over those two years (and much fancier website) along with new aims:
Offer support to parents, families, carers and others.
Raise awareness about gender issues amongst professionals (e.g. teachers, doctors, social services. etc.,) and the general public
Campaign for the recognition of this issue and an increase in professional services

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 16/06/2019 19:27

More charity money and funding from ????? Follow the money - every time.

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