Lily Allen “tried to avoid being a woman” because of the derogatory way her father spoke about them.

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It can be hard enough in families if you have male relatives who are constantly negating and insulting women. And it must be worse in one of them (like Lily Allen's dad) earns his living by doing this on tv.

Can you imagine if Russell Brand was your father.

I dont know much about Lily Allen but she has my sympathies for the poison he must have put in her mind.

"when she was growing up, her relationship with her father, actor Keith Allen, was “fragmented” and that the language he used when talking about women negatively impacted her ability to form female friendships."

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/lily-allen-dad-keith-woman-daughters-interview-stylist-a8955071.html

Oh come on, most of us would sleep with her without being paid! I can't imagine it's a huge inconvenience to women who are used to having to sleep with really disgusting unpleasant and dangerous men for a living, not knowing whether they're going to come out of it alive or badly injured, or maybe with an unwanted pregnancy, to sleep with a young-ish beautiful woman instead

What a load of nonsense. Lily Allen might be less physically repulsive than the average punter but she is no less morally repulsive.

Though I think that is a pity, as sometimes monitoring langauage to a certain extent completely buggers your options for expressing what you feel. It homogenises, it denatures, it paralyses freedom of thought and speech. That and it can throw away hundreds, thousands of years of culture... today Ovid and Homer, tomorrow Shakespeare, Wordsworth

You sound like a very intelligent and creative person, I'm sure you will have no problems with expressing how you feel whilst also managing not to oppress another class of human. You can do it Curious.

MN harpiesWow. If men are unpleasant, how do you describe them? Is there a good word for it, associated with their sex?

There isn't. I am reasonably knowledgeable about Classical mythology. I'm surprised any one familiar with the concept of a harpy is unaware that they are always portrayed as female.

I'm not in the least bit offended at being called an MN harpy simply because anyone who would use that description is someone whose opinion I could not give a fig about. I'm flattered more than anything. Particularly when that person exposes their own ignorance about the meaning of "victim blaming"

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harpy?wprov=sfla1

Oh dear. Lass you are wrong, on both counts.

Harpies are not universally female - look at their origins - and I didn't say anyone was victim blaming, just pointing out a pp had used that term.

But hey! This far more fun to leap on than not, isn't it!

I really don't see it that way. I'm not sure there's anything 'morally repugnant' about an attractive woman wanting no-strings sex with other attractive women. There's no undercurrent of physical violence, no imbalance of strength, no history of oppression. None of the usual issues that make prostitution such an issue. Yes there's an economic imbalance and the question of whether the women involved really consent. Assuming their consent was genuine and they actually wanted to have sex with her it's not a big deal imo. If the only people paying women to sleep with them were other attractive women, i'm not sure many people would see it as a huge problem. I'm assuming those women were freelance rather than working for a pimp, which would make it much more problematic.

Wow, a lot of disgust for Lily Allen.

I only know her as a person who's made some pop songs I like, whose Dad is a butthead and whose brother was Theon in GoT. I took her words at face value and think, yes, with such a forceful and aggressive misogynist as a father I'm not surprised she had plenty of internalised misogyny

Yes there's an economic imbalance and the question of whether the women involved really consent

The problem with this is that when there is a financial transaction there is no clear consent.

There is also the fact that using prostitutes supports an industry that traffics, abuses and brutalises women and girls. Those women she paid for sex, didn't appear out of thin air awaiting her feminine touch.

Oh dear curious

I missed out "always" in my earlier post. I'm intrigued by someone so keen on flaunting their intellectual superiority but who apparently is wholly unaware that harpies in mythology were almost always portrayed as female and that modern usage is exclusively female. How very bizarre; out of all the derogatory words you could have chosen you pick one which is now only used for women. Men are never called harpies. I'm sorry you have such a limited vocabulary at your disposal.

I'm not sure there's anything 'morally repugnant' about an attractive woman wanting no-strings sex with other attractive women

No there isn't- but that isn't what happened is it?
There's no undercurrent of physical violence, no imbalance of strength, no history of oppression

She paid them to have sex with her. That makes her a punter. Being a pretty, female punter doesn't excuse it.

If the only people paying women to sleep with them were other attractive women, i'm not sure many people would see it as a huge problem

I certainly see it as a problem. You (general you) either approve of paid rape or you don't. I don't and I don't care how pretty the face or the genital configuration of the payer is.

I have a very small, generally quite clean and tidy house. I'm sure if I paid someone to lick it clean that would be much nicer for them than a person with a huge grotty mansion doing so.

Ach. You're right, Lass. I forget who and where I was. I shall just slink off, taking my mythological beasties with me.

Rufflecrow, what if the women she paid were heterosexual and were completely turned off by having to sleep with a woman. They still have to pretend to be horny, pretend to like it etc. That's the thing about paying for sex, the desires and sexuality of the prostitute are totally and utterly irrelevant. Also, Lily Allen might be beautiful but that doesn't mean she's fanciable to every single lesbian ( let's just imagine the prostitutes did happen to be lesbian.) She paid for a service, using the bodies of other women, and their own needs and desires were irrelevant to her. They most likely would have preferred to be at home with a cup of tea, but they needed the money.