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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Owen Jones looking to take on Janice Turner

88 replies

Freespeecher · 09/06/2019 19:12

Janice Turner isn't happy with Munroe Bergdorf working with Childline; Jones goes in to bat (not baseball bat. yet) for Bergdorf.

Seems to be accusing her of, amongst other things, misogyny by association. Which is interesting.

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Aspley · 09/06/2019 20:36

Yes, all this will do is make even more people aware of MB previous homophobic comments - thanks Owen, way to prove our point.

GCAcademic · 09/06/2019 20:37

If you read this Owen, know that your books in the Birmingham branch of Waterstones have been hidden behind the feminist ones.

I think I love you ❤️

Popchyk · 09/06/2019 20:40

Janice didn't launch a campaign. Of any description.

She made one comment on a Twitter thread. If that is launching a campaign, then OJ has launched millions of campaigns.

Other people (plenty of them by the sounds of it) contacted NSPCC to complain about the suitability of the appointment.

EverardDigby · 09/06/2019 20:55

If you read this Owen, know that your books in the Birmingham branch of Waterstones have been hidden behind the feminist ones.

I feel this could be a campaign I could get involved with!

ZebrasAreBras · 09/06/2019 20:57

If you read this Owen, know that your books in the Birmingham branch of Waterstones have been hidden behind the feminist ones.

Fantastic. I shall be at my local Waterstones doing the same... Grin

(Bluewater shopping centre)

I used to think Owen was a great bloke. Not anymore.

Monroe Bergdorf + children's safeguarding = not a good mix.

JackyHolyoake · 09/06/2019 20:59

Oh! Zebras .. I will go and look tomorrow! Well done!

JackyHolyoake · 09/06/2019 21:03

And, I don't normally eat popcorn .. but this might just be worth a nibble!

#TeamJanice

FloralBunting · 09/06/2019 21:06

Didn't Bergdorf tweet 'Nobody cares' in response to someone complaining they had been doxxed and pictures of their kids shared?

Yes, Owen Jones. What a shocking injustice that an individual like Bergdorf, so clearly deeply concerned with the welfare of children, was dropped like a hot rock by a children's charity.

I know it's probably a bit beyond your ken, but childrens charities actually exist for the purpose of the welfare of children, not the validation of vacuous misogynists.

ZebrasAreBras · 09/06/2019 21:10

Here's a little cheat-sheet of all the things Monroe has said which makes Monroe an unsuitable person for Owen to defend.

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ZebrasAreBras · 09/06/2019 21:13

And that's before we even get to Monroe's suitability to work with/for vulnerable children. Which is obviously 100% unsuitable.

theOtherPamAyres · 09/06/2019 21:15

Janice is a trained, experienced award winning proper journalist.

Jones identifies as a journalist, and is a member of the journalist's union, but has never been one.

He gets very tetchy when journalists remind him that he's paid to write an OPINIONS column and has no background, training or experience of reporting, investigating, or fact-checking.

No, he doesn't like to be reminded that while he identifies as one, he's not the real deal and never will be.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 09/06/2019 21:15

What has the Q got to do with children?

What makes a child Q?

this with bloody great big fucking bells on

stop sexualising children

Haworthia · 09/06/2019 21:17

Oh, this will be fun. I have so much respect for Janice.

S1naidSucks · 09/06/2019 21:25

Plugs charger into iPad, pours large glass of wine and settles down. Bliss. 🍷 😃

iismum · 09/06/2019 21:35

I've just read a BBC article about the NSPCC cutting ties with MB and it says this is because of the huge number of transphobic letters they received, and much lower down mentioned that MB posed for playboy (or similar, can't remember the exact details). But no mention at all of the long track record of misogyny and homophobia. Anyone reading that article would think the NSPCC was weakly deferring to bigoted people. It makes me so angry.

S1naidSucks · 09/06/2019 21:37

That’s just typical of the misogynistic, TRA pushing agenda of the BBC.

DrG · 09/06/2019 21:40

Owen Jones is literally shaking with rage ‘cause most adults recognise the problem with having an NSPCC spokesperson on record saying that the sexual exploitation of Desmond the Drag Child who dances in sexually provocative clothing for money in an adult gay bar, is a positive thing..

Looking forward to his next tweet where he tells us about his tears over sexual frustrations of MAPs..

NoSquirrels · 09/06/2019 21:41

I think OJ has extremely cynically gone after JT because she’s probably being advised by lawyers to keep quiet right now - if MB is serious about lawyers over the ‘porn star’ tag then JT won’t be able to do much at the moment.

Birdsfoottrefoil · 09/06/2019 21:46

What has the Q got to do with children?

From reading another thread it seems Q has quite a lot to do with children...

DrG · 09/06/2019 21:49

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Kilbranan · 09/06/2019 22:27

Yes the insidious addition of Q to the alphabet soup in relation to children needs to be highlighted as it’s an extension of the mission creep aiming to sexualise children

LangCleg · 09/06/2019 22:51

To: the Woke

A primer on the first rule of safeguarding.

Sometimes, adults invite private contact with vulnerable children or offer to keep secrets for them. When this happens we call it a red flag.

At worst: this person is attempting to groom those vulnerable children in order to abuse them.

At best: this person has no ill intent themselves but is still normalising private contact with adults in the mind of the child, which makes the child easier to groom and abuse by those who do have ill intent.

If you want to protect children who question their gender - and all the other children, if you can manage to care about them too - then you never break this cardinal first rule of safeguarding. You never invite private contact with a child. You never offer to keep its secrets. Because you don't break down children's boundaries: you build them up.

Any adult who does this is therefore unsuited to any role in child protection or to have any connection with child protection organisations.

Any person who defends another person doing this is therefore unsuited to ever speak of what or what is not appropriate in child protection matters.

In short: STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S BEST FOR OUR CHILDREN UNTIL YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT SAFEGUARDING IS.

Cismyfatarse1 · 09/06/2019 22:55

Look at Andrew Gilligan's tweet about the BBC coverage of this. Can't screenshot but brilliant.

Cismyfatarse1 · 09/06/2019 22:58

Managed it. Hilarious.

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Outofinspiration · 09/06/2019 22:58

Even without the 'porn' element of this and the fact that Munroe promotes womanhood as nothing more than tits and ass, Munroe has still:

Initiated private contact with young teenagers in a 'big sister' capacity. See LangClegs excellent post above for why this is a problem.

Publicly said that they didn't see any problem with an 11 year old boy dancing for money in an adult gay nightclub, a nightclub the clientele themselves have said is a place 'to party and to fuck'.

These two things alone should mean Munroe is off the table completely. At the absolute best, Munroe has shown that they have a total lack of understanding of the basics of safeguarding.

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