Left wing men hate women as much as right wing men

[DJLippy]

Is anyone else getting more and more upset by left wing men and their misogony? I have been following Ron Johnsons recent comments about the porn industry and prostitution and I want to cry. I thought he was one of the good guys. He's just posted today about educating himself about prostitution - by speaking with.....you guessed it the pimp lobby!

Was it Dwokin who said:
Right wing men view women as private property left wing men view women as public property.

Every day I feel like I see more and more evidence for this.

This is compunded by the fact that i was disinvited from a panel discussion at an anti-fa festival because I told them I wanted to discuss the violence directed against women from left wing activists.

Actually recorded a podcast about it you can listen here:

makemorenoise.libsyn.com/suffragette-city-radio-six

Left wing men only care about women's issues as a stick to beat the right with. If you dare to challenge their own behaviour suddenly you are a feminazi and a t*rf.

What do you guys think? What's been your personal experience with men on the left?

Do you mean Jon Ronson? But yes I agree.

My personal experience has been they're dressing up being 'progressive' and 'woke' as another stick to beat women with.

They are misogynists, but now their misogyny is deemed as acceptable

As far as I'm concerned, anyone, man or woman in my life who uses the word t**f or transphobe, can fuck off and take their twattishness with them.

These fuckers who claim to worry about human rights, whilst not giving a fuck about women and girls, are a collective waste of skin.

I am constantly surprised at the simmering misogyny in these men, who all retweeted #metoo and claim to be "feminists". Bullshit. They wouldn't dream of trying to decide what oppression means for other marginalised and disadvantaged sectors of society. But they will happily and pompously pronounce on feminism and the definition of a woman.

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Yeah I mean jon Ronson I always get his na me wrong. ^^clickety link to podcast if anyone fancies it. Its the dogs hillocks btw

You are 100% right.

It is devastating to watch Jon Ronson and his comments on porn. I just don't know where to start with him.

I was talking to a woke bloke about women's spaces being infiltrated, his response?

Oh you're a feminist! Do you hate men?
I laughed at him and said 'typical male ego' I'm talking about womens safe spaces and you make it all about the men.
Twat!

Many of these men consider themselves to be left wing, but they aren't.
They are every bit as authoritarian as openly conservative men who treat women as their property and access to them as their right. They pose as left wing for woke cookies.

Yes I agree with this, regarding a lot of men anyway

Well. You can be left wing, beleive in a big state, welfare, NHS, unions and all that and still not really see women as people. I don't think left/right politics has any bearing on that tbh.

The left has always been misogynist. All that, calm down dear, you’ll get your wee feminist stuff when the boys have won the class struggle patronising bs. They are rebelling in the tra agenda as they can give full vent to the misogyny under the guise of progressive politics.
What it isn’t is any kind of socialist politics. If you junk historical materialism as a means of understanding the world, how are you of the left? If you don’t understand class based oppression (race, sex, class) then you’re just a liberal who thinks we’re all just individuals, some rich, some poor, some nasty, some nice. No such thing as structural oppression.
Also men really don’t see us as fully rounded autonomous beings. We’re objects, there for men’s satisfaction. Whether cooking, cleaning, tending to their egos, providing orgasms on demand - they have to convince themselves we choose to do all this because they, the men, deserve it and we fulfill ourselves by putting their needs first. We’re talking about human beings who orgasm to images of degradation and torture perpetrated by men on women. But hey, it’s what women choose to do.
Oh the humanity.

Oh you're a feminist! Do you hate men?

See also: "feminists are 'anti-trans' ".

Patriarchy at work here ... men gaslighting women because we refuse to make them the centre of our lives.

Feminists could not possibly be just pro-women and girls [as in females] as far as men are concerned ... it has to be about them.

See also:

9th Rule of Misogyny:

Men always know the real reasons for everything women do and say.

It comes as a shock to realise it though. I grew up with a very unnuanced political view. Left = good, right = evil. So when you discover that left wing men are capable of being every bit as misogynistic, it shakes your world view. For me, this has been a good shake up as now I am starting to sort out what I think versus what my parents told me to think.

jon ronson has got 200k followers but his account is privacy protected?

is he really an arse-hole? i used to like him- what happened?

The old Socialist Workers and Workers Revolutionary Party members were, and are focused on the idea of the noble male working class. They instinctively view everything through this lens. Came across a young woman once who had just joined the SWP. she said that they automatically assumed she'd make the tea and stuff at meetings, and it ended up with her having to teach them about women's rights.

She was attractive. I reckoned they just tolerated her because they fancied her.

Many men on the liberal left assume they are always "on the right side of history" whatever they do. They don't need to really analyse or look at themselves, or become conscious of their own attitudes and expectations. Women have been 'raising consciousness' for a long time; but most men have still not done that.

I'm most annoyed with gay men at present.

Lol I often have to think is it Jon Ronson or Ron Johnson?

Feel very disappointed in him over the past few days what with this and him having a go at Glinner over his support of women's rights. Matt Haig also on Twitter expressing outrage at NSPCC dropping Munroe Bergman as an ambassador. I'm hoping he's just ignorant rather than misogynistic.

Yes, my disillusionment with people of the left (both men and women) began at the time of the Rotherham scandal. The silence of the left, for fear of being accused of being racist was appalling. Took a journalist from a right leaning newspaper to report it, and face being called a racist for exposing the sexual abuse and torture of young girls. Bloody appalling. Jeremy Corbyn then pushed out one of his MPs for talking about the issue because he didn't want to be seen as racist - so failing utterly to learn the lesson of Rotherham that people need to be able to raise concerns without fear of being called a racist. SO bascially the left threw female victims of male sexual violence under the bus to preserve their own self image as progressive and inclusive. COuldn't be clearer that women and girls come last with the left.

Then of course there is the whole attack by the left on women who raise concerns about about women's protection and safety and fairness to women in sport. Because y'know, the most important thing, far more important than women and girls, is to maintain your image as progressive and inclusion.

The utterly final straw was Zoe Williams on radio 4 defending throwing drinks at people for expressing views one dislikes. .

I used to be on the left, but so many have just shown themselves to be a bunch of misogynistic, cowardly, pompous,superior and nasty people. I've not got a political home anymore.

I am constantly surprised at the simmering misogyny in these men, who all retweeted #metoo and claim to be "feminists". Bullshit. They wouldn't dream of trying to decide what oppression means for other marginalised and disadvantaged sectors of society. But they will happily and pompously pronounce on feminism and the definition of a woman I agree with this too

I’ve had these thoughts for some time, based on so many real life experiences with left wing men. I don’t know why we think left wing means good guy anyway. They’ve still been living in the same privileged world as the right wing men have. Sometimes I think left wing misogynists are worse, they often openly despise ‘white middle class women’, as that’s an acceptable women to treat inferior for the left. They’re more likely to lecture me on how to do feminism too.

Blindly following a brand instead of actually understanding the motives is never good.

Is anyone able to confirm Dr Louise Raw's stance on gender? She is a vocal and respected leftie so would be really interested to know if she is gender critical and how it aligns with the politics currently going on

When I was 17 I went out with An Anarchist. He was very preoccupied with his image as a spiky-mohawked Speaker of Truth. He also didn't seem to include women in his brave new world of communal bliss, as he treated his girlfriends like total shit.

I recently tracked him down on Twitter to see what had become of him 20 years on: lo and behold, he was calling people 't*rfs' and doing the princely sum of fuck all with his life. He's since been permanently banned (I know, I could believe Twitter banned him either).

Left wing men only care about women's issues as a stick to beat the right with.

This rings true to me in many cases. (Naturally NotAllLeftieMenAreLikeThat )

I used to work for a trade union and they were a bunch of raging misogynists which was somewhat disappointing. I was completely anti-Thatcher but after meeting this bunch of men it made me laugh so much to know that they had to suffer (and having a woman in charge would have made them suffer) under a woman Prime Minister for eleven years. It must have killed them.

I always suspected Jon Ronson was a wrong 'un so this is unsurprising.

On the other hand, I'd always vote on the left, because leftist polices like anti-poverty or the social safety net, do benefit women, as we are the majority of the poor and carers for the vulnerable. For example when Tony Blair's government introduced the minimum wage, two thirds of the people it benefited were women.

OP, correct.

Misogyny can be amply found across the political spectrum, men keep us underfoot by having us believe we have it best with them (and whatever their political preferences happen to be).

We are our own sex class and the male politics we know was never built to serve us.

The old Socialist Workers and Workers Revolutionary Party members were, and are focused on the idea of the noble male working class. They instinctively view everything through this lens. Came across a young woman once who had just joined the SWP. she said that they automatically assumed she'd make the tea and stuff at meetings, and it ended up with her having to teach them about women's rights.

Er, the SWP rape-cult didn't just expect she'd make the tea, they much more expected she'd lie back and think of England mother Russia whenever they wanted it.

I often have to think is it Jon Ronson or Ron Johnson?

As long as no-one starts on Ron Swanson- he's one of the good guys.