Julie Bindel in The Sunday Times

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www.thetimes.co.uk/article/julie-bindel-the-man-in-a-skirt-called-me-a-nazi-then-attacked-8dfwk8jft?shareToken=f19f4ec79438928b896b5208e86342d6

My view on transsexuality is that trans women are trans women, as distinct from natal females. It is impossible to change sex, it is only possible to live as the opposite sex.

Seems fucking obvious. And yet...

Great piece, clear and concise.

......it is only possible to live as the opposite sex

How is this different from live as a woman ? Which is being determined to be meaningless on this thread.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3606587-Genuine-question-re-living-as-a-woman

I think it's just shorthand for "call yourself Cathy, fanny around in a dress and demand a woman call you a she or you'll belt the bitch."

Convenient shorthand for an article aimed at the general public.

I read that as ‘live as if you were the opposite sex’ - it’s a concession, a kindness.

Going to read whole article now.

The great parody account of Titania McGrath is bang on the money with this
mobile.twitter.com/TitaniaMcGrath/status/1137024204891668480?fbclid=IwAR3pJOXLYny9yNcPXcGk2_5pFt7tbdf-0IpPUjgHku39nTi1rriPQyRT7VA

Related article in the Guardian.

www.theguardian.com/society/2019/jun/06/edinburgh-lgbt-committee-resigns-over-transphobic-hate-on-campus?

The comments under the Titania tweet are priceless.

Amazing article - to Julie

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Completely ridiculous that the trans woman who attack Bindell keeps claimed that there was no atttempted violence, when it has been confirmed by several witnesses that the fist came very close to punching Bindell in the face.

Julie Bindel thanks for drawing this determined planned misogynistic aggression to public attention- thank god for the security team there.

I’ve always admired your written journalism: You should be just as free to speak in person without fear, just as we all should.

It isn’t hate speech or being hateful simply to point out women’s rights and needs.
It clearly IS hateful for anyone to make the climate such that women must accept they aren’t allowed to draw their own boundaries, otherwise those women will ‘deserve’ and will thus be presented with aggressive confrontation or physical attack for trying to do so.

Keep on keeping on Julie

Completely bonkers that Pink News felt the need to respond to Titiania’s tweet.

Yes, NotBad, reeks of desperation!

Thanks Julie and to The Times (and for the share, OP).

I'm livid that this individual has left Julie feeling like this. Her anaolgy with female victims who are blamed for their aggressors behaviour is bang on the money.

Brennan's behaviour is deplorable but to any staff who are reading this, how can you look yourselves in the mirror, cheerleading such mass gang style persecution of women.

You are morally bankrupt.

It's transwoman/transwomen not trans woman / trans women.
Other than that it's great to see this written about in the msn.

Would just like to point out that trans activists will harass the venue and try to shut down any event on women's sex based rights, not just those with Bindel on the panel.

It's transwoman/transwomen not trans woman / trans women.
Other than that it's great to see this written about in the msn.

Personally, I now refuse to refer to any non-woman with any word that includes woman. Not sure why Julie chose to use that form, but it may be that she is deliberately removing one of the weapons anti-women activists use to smear her.

Great article but sometimes I wish that the women fighting this ideology weren't always described as 'feminists'. In the past I would have skipped over anything described as a feminist concern, because feminists seemed to be arguing esoteric points, using words like 'gender' that I didn't really understand, their concerns seemed to be very intellectual and removed from the reality of my life.

Ordinary women have to be able to identify with this fight, without feeling intimidated. I would be afraid to go to something too associated with feminism in case it would be above my head and I'd be exposed as stupid. The good thing about MN is that it's ordinary women, I can identify with them

It's transwoman/transwomen not trans woman / trans women.

Agreed press guidelines, I'm afraid.

Hope you're okay, Julie. Thanks for everything. It's unconscionable that you have become a target for violent males and not one authority in the country is prepared to address it or provide a full-throated defence of women's rights to safety and to organise.

I think it’s more likely a sub editor ran over it before it went live and there’ll be some wokestyle guidelines somewhere.

I know someone who used be at Edinburgh University she says the lgbt group or pride network that the Guardian mentions was completed male dominated in that it was all gay men and transwomen. She didn't meet one lesbian in her time there

It's a great article, but was spoilt a little for me by the explanation of 'cis' as 'non-trans'. We know that there's so much more to it, ideologically speaking, but the casual reader won't. It's contributing to the normalisation of a term and an idea that many women, and most feminists, utterly reject.

*Agreed press guidelines, I'm

Thanks lang. Newspeak compelled language then.

Forgot to say in my last post... Thanks Julie for your ongoing courage.

Bloody hell, not doing well with my editing and bolding this morning.

That’s a fabulous piece of writing, it simply puts across
-trans women are trans women and not natal women
-the proposed changes in the GRA, have already been illegally implemented by many institutions, without any reference to actual women’s safety and concerns.

These are the issues we meet to talk about and it’s great that Julie has been given space in the Times to explain exactly what is going on at these meetings.

I hope Julie gets more MSM platforms to talk about what’s happened to her.

I’m a bit shy to comment the following points on the article itself (as essentially they are allegations) but I think it’s worth repeating on this thread what is known about the attacker from his own twitter posts/writings:

• this man, when identifying as a woman, chose to appropriate the name of a well known gender critical feminist - a lesbian woman - in a deliberate act of harassment against her;

• he has repeatedly written in favour of physical violence against gender critical women, called to ‘fuck them up’, and gone so far as to later defend this incitement to violence as self-defence

• Now that this has culminated in him physically attacking a woman.

I am very worried that this rhetoric, this violent, misogynistic brand of trans rights activism, may culminate in an incident such as what happened to Lee Rigby or Jo Cox - their attackers felt justified in their violence by their beliefs, just as Julie’s attacker does.

@MNHQ I am openly using male pronouns for the attacker - we are discussing an article where the victim has described him as such, and and I respect her lived experience of his attack on her.