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Dr Helen and Dr Mike Webberley - matters of public record

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MoleSmokes · 29/05/2019 18:06

There are several existing threads about Helen Webberley and a recent one about Mike Webberley "Dr Mike Webberley suspended" that includes LOTS of interesting info about their several joint business ventures involving online prescribing (all sorts of medication, not just gender-related), relocation of their "GenderGP" service to Spain with the business address being moved to Belize, etc. etc.

I first posted some of the info below in that thread and @R0wantrees suggested that I start a new one.

Since the Webberleys seem to be "partners in crime" I thought it might be a good idea to start a new thread that helps us to pull it all together for both of them and facilitates linking to the revelations in other threads.

(Links do not work in "starter posts" so I will add them in a post below this one. Please give me a moment to do that before commenting!)

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MoleSmokes · 29/05/2019 18:08

I first posted this comment in the thread "Dr Mike Webberley suspended", which contains a LOT of comments with info about the Webberley's joint business ventures and legal issues arising from them:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3588654-dr-mike-webberley-suspended

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Background

To train and work as a GP in the UK a doctor, one of the requirements is that the Doctor needs to be on a Primary Medical Performers List (PMPL). There are separate PMPLs for NHS England, Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland.

GMC Info:
www.gmc-uk.org/registration-and-licensing/the-medical-register/a-guide-to-the-medical-register/gp-registration/working-as-a-gp-in-the-uk

In Wales, "The National Health Service (Performers Lists) (Wales) Regulations 2004 require a Local Health Board to prepare and publish a Medical Performers List(MPL) of all general medical practitioners approved by the Local Health Board for the purposes of assisting in the provision of primary medical services.

UK legislation:
www.legislation.gov.uk/wsi/2004/1020/contents/made

A general medical practitioner is not eligible to assist in the provision of primary medical services, unless his or her name is included in a medical performers list."

NHS Wales Primary Performers List:
www.primarycareservices.wales.nhs.uk/performers-list-and-locum-register

19 January 2018:
a Reference panel convened by Aneurin Bevan University Health Board (ABUHB/the Board or LHB) to remove Dr Helen Webberley's name from the Medical Performers List (the MPL)

21 September 2018:
Tribunal hears Helen Webberley's appeal against the ABUHB decision to the Primary Health Care Lists (First-tier Tribunal) (Health, Education and Social Care).

22 Oct 2018:
Appeal against removal from Local Health Board Primary Medical Performers List is dismissed by Primary Health Care Lists (First-tier Tribunal) (Health, Education and Social Care).

Tribunal record (includes reasons Webberley was removed from the list - this is a "must read"!)
phl.decisions.tribunals.gov.uk/Documents/FTT%20Decision%2022%20October%202018%20-%20[2018]%203251.PHL.pdf

See @Popchyk 's post here and several below it revealing the Webberleys' previous and ongoing global reach prescribing various medicines online:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3588654-dr-mike-webberley-suspended?msgid=87175556

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MoleSmokes · 29/05/2019 18:11

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10 January 2019:
The Tribunal on 21 Sept 2018 did not deal with Helen Webberley's appeal against "National Disqualification" ie. in addition to removal from the Local Board Primary Health Care List, disqualification from being included in any of those lists across all of NHS Wales.

  • Tribunal Decision "on the papers": Dr Helen Webberley's Appeal against "DECISION ON NATIONAL DISQUALIFICATION" by NHS WALES/ANEURIN BEVAN UNIVERSITY HEALTH BOARD

phl.decisions.tribunals.gov.uk/Documents/(FTT)%20Decision%20on%20National%20Disqualification%2023%20January%202019%20-%20[2018]%203251.PHL.pdf

Extracts

  1. On 22 October 2018 the panel made a decision to remove the Appellant from the Respondent’s medical performers list (MPL) on the grounds of her unsuitability. The panel also gave directions regarding consideration of the potential issue of national disqualification. This included a direction for the parties to state if they remained content for the panel to proceed to consider the issue of national disqualification on the papers.
  1. Suffice to say that it became necessary to issue subsequent directions. We need not rehearse the history which is fully set out in the various directions issued. In the event by email dated 11 December 2018 Dr Webberley unequivocally consented to consideration of the issue of national disqualification on the papers. (The Respondent had always requested consideration of the issue of national disqualification on the papers).

The Parties’ Respective Positions

  1. The Appellant provided evidence under cover of an email dated 19 November 2018. She does not accept the panel’s substantive decision. So far as the issue of national disqualification is concerned she relies, amongst other matters, on letters written by the Respondent and sent to the General Medical Council (GMC) in 2016 and 2017 to the effect that they were not aware of any concerns regarding her work as a GP locally.
  1. In her letter dated 11 December 2018 Dr Webberley states that she is currently suspended from the GMC register pending the outcome of their investigations. She submits that the decision as to whether she needs to have restrictions placed on her registration, or whether she is to be suspended or removed from the register, will be decided by the Medical Practitioners Tribunal Service (MPTS) and the GMC. She contends that it is not necessary for this panel to nationally disqualify her from her work as an NHS GP “in the interim.” Her position is that: the GMC will have the benefit of a full investigation into the allegations that are being made against her and will evaluate whether she is suitable to be a doctor working in any capacity; If they find that her professional conduct has been a risk to patients, and that risk is ongoing, or if they find that it is necessary to take action to protect the public confidence in the profession, they have the powers to take action on her registration at its core; this would affect her ability to work both as an NHS GP and as a private provider.
  1. The Respondent contends that an order for national disqualification should be made, with no application for a review to be made before the end of the period of five years being permitted. The Respondent relies upon the following: the findings of the panel in dismissing the appeal were of the utmost seriousness - it found that the Appellant’s attitude is one of “entrenched resistance to regulation” and “highly coloured by her lack of integrity and candour.” National disqualification is as necessary nationally as it is locally for the protection of the interests of patients and NHS resources as demonstrated by the reasons given by the panel for dismissing the appeal. The Appellant has not provided any evidence of mitigation, insight, or remediation. In any event, the qualities that the Tribunal found in the Appellant make it very unlikely that she is capable of insight and remediation. For example: (a) at paragraph 109, the Appellant, “lacks the essential attributes of integrity and candour”; (b) at paragraph 109, the Appellant, “lacks insight”; and, (c) at paragraph 110, the Appellant, “has deep seated attitudinal flaws”. Whilst national disqualification will have an impact on the Appellant, that impact is limited having regard to how little NHS work she was undertaking prior to her suspension.

Our Consideration

10.We have considered all of the material before us. If we do not refer to any particular aspect it should not be assumed that we have not considered the points made.

11.There are two discrete issues:
(i) Whether to impose national disqualification at all:
(ii) If national disqualification is imposed, whether to express an opinion that the conduct of the performer is such that there is no realistic prospect of a further review being successful within the period specified in 18A(8)(a). If we express this opinion the Appellant will be unable to apply for review before the end of five years.

12.We refer to our decision dated 22 October 2018. The findings made related to the overarching issue of Dr Webberley’s self-governance and her willingness to be subject to regulatory governance by those responsible for her continued inclusion in the MPL. In our decision we summarised the reasons for our decision regarding suitability:

“109. We consider that Dr Webberley’s sustained actions in frustrating the efforts of the LHB to reassure itself as to her standards renders her unsuitable for inclusion in the MPL. She told the investigators that terms of reference needed to be set but she knew they had already been set. We have found that her reasons for refusing access to her practice on 5 October were disingenuous and manipulative. She wanted to prevent access or investigation. The respondent has satisfied us that she lacks the essential attributes of integrity and candour which are essential to suitability. She also lacks insight. We do not consider that the attributes of suitability are divisible as between private and NHS practice because suitability is a concept that goes to the very core of practitioner’s true character and attitude. Dr Webberley’s attitude is one of entrenched resistance to regulation and is highly coloured by her lack of integrity and candour.

110. We have considered the overall effects of the past incidents and all the evidence in relation to the current situation in the round. We fully recognise that there were no significant issues regard to Dr Webberley’s clinical practice as an NHS performer when she last practiced at the Blaina surgery in October 2015. Events since then and her responses to the LHB and HIW have revealed deep-seated attitudinal flaws in her approach to governance. The issue underpinning the need for governance is the obvious need for assurance in relation to patient safety.

111. We take full account of the impact of the decision upon Dr Webberley’s ability to further her career and her ambitions. We take into account also that she was seriously unwell in 2016 and has suffered from ill health since. We have fully taken into account her past service in the NHS and her wish to practice in the NHS in future. We consider, nonetheless, that removal is the necessary, reasonable and proportionate response to the facts we have found. In our view, Dr Webberley is unsuitable to be included on the MPL maintained by the respondent.”

13.The decision to impose a national disqualification is discretionary. The core rationale of our removal decision on the grounds of unsuitability was that Dr Webberley does not understand or respect the demands of governance. In our view the reasons for Dr Webberley’s unsuitability were not due to local or geographical factors. This is demonstrated by the fact that she was not merely dismissive of the local health board (LHB) but was also dismissive of Health Investigation Wales (HIW) and the Care Quality Commission (CQC).

14.Dr Webberley makes the point that the MPTS will make a decision on her position on the Medical Register (from which she is currently suspended on an interim basis) so a national disqualification from the MPL is not necessary. In our view this misses the point which we explained in our substantive decision at [108]. Whatever the ultimate decision of the MPTS may be as to her fitness to practice as a registered medical practitioner, Dr Webberley’s future potential ability to be included in an NHS performers list (as opposed to her registration as a medical practitioner) is governed by the Performers Regulations. We found that she is not suitable to be an NHS performer on the MPL.

15.If a decision for national disqualification is not made Dr Webberley, (if she retains her position on the Medical Register), would be free to apply for inclusion in the lists maintained for medical performers by different local health boards in Wales, or to the national medical performers list in England. Whilst there would clearly be grounds for refusal to include by reason of our substantive decision that she is unsuitable for inclusion in the Respondent’s (local) list, the fact is that applications for inclusion inevitably absorb time and resources. In our view it is contrary to the public interest in the efficiency of the NHS that resources should be spent in the procedural requirements to consider and respond to an application from an unsuitable performer. Further, a refusal to include generates an automatic right of appeal which, if made, would then have to be redetermined on its merits. Any appeal generates resource demands and expense. Costs do not follow the event in this jurisdiction and the ability to claim seek costs is restricted.

  1. We weighed the impact of an order for national disqualification as an NHS performer upon the interests of Dr Webberley against the public interest, which includes the protection of patients and the efficient use of NHS resources. We re satisfied that in all the circumstances it is fair, reasonable and proportionate to make a direction for national disqualification.

17.We therefore direct that Dr Webberley is nationally disqualified from:
• the supplementary lists prepared by each Local Health Board,
• the lists under section 49 prepared by each Local Health Board,
• the lists corresponding to the lists under section 49 prepared by
each Local Health Board by virtue of regulations made under
section 103,
• the lists corresponding to the lists mentioned above prepared by
the National Health Service Commissioning Board under or by virtue of the National Health Service Act 2006.

Period for Review

  1. The practical effect of regulation 19(1) of the Performers Lists Regulations 2004, (as amended by the National Health Service (Performers Lists) (Wales) (Amendment) Regulations 2006), is that the review period for national disqualification is extended to five years if the First-Tier Tribunal states that it is of the opinion that the professional conduct of the performer is such that there “is no realistic prospect” of a request for review before the end of the period of two years being successful. This is a high threshold.

21.We have reviewed all the material before us. We noted that there were no issues regarding the Appellant’s integrity or candour or her attitude to governance when she practiced at the Blaina surgery, delivering ordinary services as an NHS GP. It is apparent from our substantive decision that issues regarding her suitability arose after she decided to focus her professional life in the provision of on-line services in the private sector. Whilst it is clear from our decision that we were (and remain) wholly unimpressed by her lack of integrity and candour and her entrenched attitude to governance, it is not, in our view, fanciful to envisage that Dr Webberley might yet develop appropriate insight. Experience in regulation informs us that the possibility of future remediation or rehabilitation should not be lightly discarded: people do change. We bear in mind also that Dr Webberley is relatively young in terms of her professional life. In our view it is at least possible that Dr Webberley could develop appropriate insight in future and could provide evidence of remediation or rehabilitation at a review. In this context we do not consider it appropriate to effectively preclude the possibility of any review by the Tribunal before the end of a period of five years.

Decision

23.(1) We have made a direction for national disqualification.
(2) We do not consider it fair, just or proportionate to express the opinion that the professional conduct of the performer is such that there is no realistic prospect of a further review being successful within the period specified in Regulation 18A(8)(a).

Rights of Review and/or Appeal

  1. The Appellant is hereby notified of the right to appeal this decision under section 11 of the Tribunals Courts and Enforcement Act 2007. She also has the right to seek a review of this decision under section 9 of that Act. Pursuant to paragraph 46 of the Tribunal Procedure (First- tier Tribunal) Health, Education and Social Care Chamber) Rules 2008 (SI 2008/2699) a person seeking permission to appeal must make a written application to the Tribunal no later than 28 days after the date that this decision was sent to the person making the application for review and/or permission to appeal.

Tribunal Judge Siobhan Goodrich
Primary Health Lists
First-tier Tribunal (Health Education and Social Care)
Date Issued: 23 January 2019

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MoleSmokes · 29/05/2019 18:21

Broken links to Tribunal records in posts above do not repair when reposted. Search for "Webberley" on this page for the links to the documents:

phl.decisions.tribunals.gov.uk

Tribunal 21 September 2018
PHL 3251 Dr Helen Webberley v NHS Wales - "Removal from the Performers list"

Tribunal continued on the papers: 10 January 2019
PHL 3251 Dr Helen Webberley v NHS Wales – “National Disqualification”

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R0wantrees · 29/05/2019 18:28

We have found that her reasons for refusing access to her practice on 5 October were disingenuous and manipulative. She wanted to prevent access or investigation. The respondent has satisfied us that she lacks the essential attributes of integrity and candour which are essential to suitability. She also lacks insight. We do not consider that the attributes of suitability are divisible as between private and NHS practice because suitability is a concept that goes to the very core of practitioner’s true character and attitude. Dr Webberley’s attitude is one of entrenched resistance to regulation and is highly coloured by her lack of integrity and candour.

Thats's pretty damning!

SpartacusAutisticusAHF · 29/05/2019 19:09

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MoleSmokes · 29/05/2019 19:19

Totally damning @R0wantrees - they are right, those issues are fundamental to patient safety, rather than discrete speciality or treatment-specific issues that could be remediated by retraining or supervision.

I am very surprised that they are allowing for appeal within 5 years. Though it looks like she has decided to burn her bridges by moving to Spain.

I doubt that if she was struck off by the GMC that that would stop her operating in this field. She is a business woman first and foremost now and can employ or sub-contract to other doctors to do the work. Let us hope that they are well regulated because she and hubby (both now suspended by the GMC) are obviously not well qualified to provide adequate supervision.

I guess Dr Mike Webberley's name is not on NHS England or NHS Wales Primary Medical Performers Lists (PMPL) because he seems to have been only a "hospital doctor" rather than being a qualified GP?

Would be interesting to know the GMC's reason for suspending him. Unless I am being hopeless finding the records, the GMC and MPTS do not publish information about individual investigations and rulings. (The HCPC is much more open and it is easy to see exactly what practitioners have been accused of, the evidence, findings, etc.)

The fees they have been charging for the online "gender services" are not excessive. I wonder where the money is coming from to finance the relocation to Spain and hiring doctors over there? Does relocating the business to Belize help hide company finances?

Her "don't give a damn" attitude to all the UK Health Regulators makes me think she must be very confident about their combined resources or they have got financial backing.

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R0wantrees · 29/05/2019 19:30

Would be interesting to know the GMC's reason for suspending him.

THere are some details referred to on the other thread.

I think three key cases were highlighted:
One young person with acute mental health issues. Dr Mike Webberely's inappropriate prescription was reported by the young person's psychiatric nurse.
Two young females who were inappropriately treated.

R0wantrees · 29/05/2019 19:33

Her "don't give a damn" attitude to all the UK Health Regulators makes me think she must be very confident about their combined resources or they have got financial backing.

They have the backing of the very powerful international transhealth providing lobby/industry.
When she references WPATH, Australian & US health providers she's pointing to her backers.

The question is whether UK will exert the Duty of Care responsibilities it has towards children & vulnerable adults.

R0wantrees · 29/05/2019 19:34

MoleSmokes

Thank you for finding and sharing this.
There's a lot in the judgement to take in.

R0wantrees · 29/05/2019 19:35

THere are some details referred to on the other thread.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3588654-dr-mike-webberley-suspended

OldCrone · 29/05/2019 20:18

Story from Wales Online on 19th May.

www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/helen-mike-webberley-gender-gp-16297750

Some highlights.

In a statement shared on the GenderGP website, Dr Webberley said: "Mike and I are unable to prescribe any more but we have taken safe and secure steps to make sure that nobody is without care while we wait for the NHS to step up to the mark.

"We have moved the management hub of GenderGP and the medical care outside of the UK until it is safe to bring it back.

The news comes after Mike Webberley was also given an interim suspension from practicing on Friday after a Medical Practitioners Tribunal.

The firm said the tribunal followed a report into Dr Webberley's actions commissioned by the GMC to provide an "expert opinion on the care given to three younger trans patients".

"The three patients in question were all young people. One was a trans boy who was finding the onset of female puberty and chest development distressing, in whom Dr Webberley commenced puberty blockers in line with current UK guidance.

"The second was a young trans boy who was prescribed puberty blockers by Dr Helen Webberley at the onset of puberty, and Dr Mike Webberley took over his care when Dr Helen Webberley was temporarily suspended in May 2017.

"The third was a patient who was suffering from gender dysphoria and was being prescribed a large number of psychiatric medicines to keep his mental distress at bay.

"He was denied access to gender care on the NHS, so reached out to Dr Webberley for support. Having reviewed the case, Dr Webberley prescribed gender-affirming hormones. These were then subsequently confiscated by his psychiatric nurse. She complained to the GMC that gender hormones would be harmful.

These two really do think they're above the law and that regulation is only for lesser mortals.

Ereshkigal · 29/05/2019 20:37

These two really do think they're above the law and that regulation is only for lesser mortals.

And their supporters believe it too. I was looking at a Twitter thread and angry blue haired kids were arguing with anyone who said she should be struck off because "it would kill people".

BeUpStanding · 30/05/2019 08:56

We have found that her reasons for refusing access to her practice on 5 October were disingenuous and manipulative. She wanted to prevent access or investigation. The respondent has satisfied us that she lacks the essential attributes of integrity and candour which are essential to suitability. She also lacks insight. We do not consider that the attributes of suitability are divisible as between private and NHS practice because suitability is a concept that goes to the very core of practitioner’s true character and attitude. Dr Webberley’s attitude is one of entrenched resistance to regulation and is highly coloured by her lack of integrity and candour.

That is so incredibly damning I think it's worth repeating...

MoleSmokes · 30/05/2019 16:57

Thanks for the info about the GMC's reason for suspending Dr Mike Webberley @R0wantrees

Just a another reminder of the Tribunal's findings on the unsuitability of his wife and business partner to lead their online services:

Tribunal on 21 September 2018 (PHL 3251 Dr Helen Webberley v NHS Wales - "Removal from the Performers list") phl.decisions.tribunals.gov.uk

  • findings suggest that Helen Webberley was more interested in enabling and "quality branding" her and her husband's businesses providing private online services than in meeting minimum standards of governance and accountability for patient care.

104. In our view Dr Webberley’s attitude to regulation provides the explanation for the fact that she frustrated the efforts of the LHB to seek to assure itself as to her practice. Dr Webberley does not accept, respect or understand external governance. Her approach throughout has been to resist inspection of her practice to the “nth degree”. She wishes to enjoy the benefits of being a performer included on an NHS list because this provides her with the ability to say she is an NHS GP - which in turn supports her ability to provide on line services in private practice. However, she does not wish to be accountable to the Board that is responsible for governance of the MPL. Having seen and heard Dr Webberley give evidence we find that beneath a thin veil of her claimed pursuit for fairness, justice and clarity, her real approach and attitude to the LHB is to resist utterly the notion of accountability.

(my bolding in that text)

@Ereshkigal "I was looking at a Twitter thread and angry blue haired kids were arguing with anyone who said she should be struck off because "it would kill people".

The "angry blue haired kids" seem to be forgetting that Drs are regulated in an effort to protect patients, eg. to prevent Drs killing people.

From the "Dr Mike Webberley Suspended" thread:

"The dangers of unregulated online clinics were revealed in BBC Panorama last year : "Online Doctors Uncovered" - see more:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3588654-dr-mike-webberley-suspended?msgid=87150380

2014 - Helen Webberley is the GP involved with the online pharmacy the "Great British Drugstore" dispensing a massive range of medicines from the UK to the USA - nothing specific to "transgender" to see here, just general exploiting of loopholes in the law and cashing in on the lower price of medicines in the UK negotiated by the NHS:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3588654-dr-mike-webberley-suspended?msgid=87218462

Although both Webberley's are suspended by the GMC the "online doctor" for "Clear Chemist" online pharmacy is . . . ‘Dr Webberley’ (Company No. 09315897)
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3588654-dr-mike-webberley-suspended?msgid=87174622

Multiple posts in the "Dr Mike Webberley Suspended" thread after @OldCrone started digging around Companies House website. Again, online prescribing activities seem to be wider than transgender-related. An incredible spider's web of inter-related companies and off-shore tax havens that makes it difficult to "follow the money" and sets up barriers to any dissatisfied patients who might wish to seek redress:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3588654-dr-mike-webberley-suspended?msgid=87171972

The latter very pertinent as more grumbles and specific concerns emerge from unhappy patients, especially F2M transmen:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3588654-dr-mike-webberley-suspended?msgid=87172188

2017 evidence of Dr Helen Webberley's unorthodox prescribing "GP gave child, 12, sex change drug"
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3588654-dr-mike-webberley-suspended?msgid=87157615

A series of detailed posts and call to action from @ChattyLion emphasising that this situation with the Webberleys is a HEALTH issue and that the current regulatory systems are failing the public, due to fragmentation and loopholes between NHS, Statutory Registration and MHRA :

"We really need concerted GMC, BMA medical ethical guidance action and as Parliamentary (Commons Health and Social Care Select committee) investigation and action on this."
(full post)
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3588654-dr-mike-webberley-suspended?msgid=87144751

"We need Parliament to make new law to keep children and young people safe. We need a statutory regulated system, with licensing, case by case application before any child is transitioned medically and frequent regulatory inspection of all the clinical work in this area. "
(full post)
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3588654-dr-mike-webberley-suspended?msgid=87144978

"A House of Commons Health and Social care Select Committee Enquiry is needed to look into all this as a first step to convincing government MPs and Ministers that they need to legislate on this.

We can contact this committee to ask that they look at this. Select committees look at the evidence from all sides:"
(full post)
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3588654-dr-mike-webberley-suspended?msgid=87145099

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@R0wantrees and @ChattyLion - now I have started this thread to try to pull together issues about the "Webberley partnership", which includes but goes beyond their individual accountability as medics suspended and being investigated by the GMC, should we use this thread to progress the "Call to Action" by @ChattyLion and contacting MPs?

If so, then:

  1. The immediate concerns expressed seem to be about regulation of online "gender services and prescribing" as a health services safeguarding issue complicated by the tangle of off-shore companies based in tax havens.

  2. Broader concerns have emerged about regulation of online medical and pharmacy services generally, but would it cloud the issue to include them? I would be concerned that specific issues with gender services might be shunted sideways unless there is already an appetite by Parliament to pursue this as part of a bigger problem.

  3. @ChattyLion has produced detailed proposals about lobbying Parliament on the wider issue of regulation of all UK gender services and prescribing that could be copied and pasted here. (It has always amazed me that gender services have not been dealt with in a similar way to the 1984 Committee of Inquiry into Human Fertilisation and Embryology by Mary Warnock).

Or are any of the relevant campaigning groups already picking up and running with any of these issues??

(ps. @ChattyLion - no idea why there are asterisks clustering around your name! They are not in my text. More seem to get added with each mention!)

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nettie434 · 30/05/2019 23:09

Thanks molesmokes and rowantrees for this. It seems more like a concerted attempt to make money than a sincere attempt to help families avoid long NHS waiting lists

Pthagonal · 31/05/2019 11:31

I found this earlier, an online chemist that is still linking to GenderGP:

www.clearchemist.co.uk/progynova-2mg-tabs-28.html

archive.li/UQOAq

OldCrone · 31/05/2019 12:13

www.clearchemist.co.uk/basic-medical-information.html?id=174725

A £25 charge is taken to cover the issuing of a prescription

Online Doctor services are provided by ‘Online GP Services LTD’ (Company No. 09315897). Clear Chemist do not offer treatment of disease, disorder or injury. By signing up for this service, you agree that your personal data will be sent to our third-party provider ‘Online GP Services LTD’ to enable them to provide medical advice remotely.

Are the Webberleys still prescribing, or have they persuaded another doctor to do this?

Dr Helen and Dr Mike Webberley - matters of public record
Dr Helen and Dr Mike Webberley - matters of public record
Popchyk · 31/05/2019 12:40

Don't know, OldCrone.

The About Us section on Clear Chemist still states:

"Clear Chemist is working in conjunction with Dr Webberley (GMC #3657058) to ensure patients have full access to customer queries, advise on a wide range on healthcare and medications as well as arranging, if necessary investigations and onward referrals".

www.clearchemist.co.uk/about-us/

The GMC number relates to Helen Webberley, who is suspended from the GMC. Clear Chemist does not mention that.

FannyCann · 01/06/2019 09:38

Slight derail but I am just so shocked and concerned about Doctors who swallow the koolaid.
Of course I think trans people deserve the same high quality, well informed and individualised medical treatment and advice as the rest of us. Which is why, when the GMC seem to be taking a stance against doctors who offer affirmative care, when a Professor of Evidence Based Medicine (Carl Heneghan) concludes that "the current evidence base does not support informed decision making and safe practice" and some highly respected GPs such as Margaret McCartney and Richard Byng are counselling caution in the BMJ it is concerning to see members of the Royal College of GPs going in the opposite direction.

News yesterday that a certain Dr has passed his GP exams has prompted congratulatory tweets from the RCGP faculties, Helen Stokes-Lampard, Chair of RCGP and others. Meanwhile RCGP are to be the first college to march at Pride in London and here is another GP trainee who is a trustee of Mermaids.

Will these new GP's offer safe care to trans children and teens I wonder even if they aren't chasing the money as per the Webberley formula.

Dr Helen and Dr Mike Webberley - matters of public record
Dr Helen and Dr Mike Webberley - matters of public record
MoleSmokes · 02/06/2019 14:10

And Harrop might be on the loose soon too, if the GMC decides that he is "fit to practice" despite his sustained, disgusting, threatening behaviour towards women on social media Angry

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3518076-Dr-Harrop?msgid=87510239

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ScrimshawTheSecond · 03/06/2019 14:04

So, is it perfectly okay for people to access prescriptions from doctors registered abroad, then?

'All medical advice and prescriptions are provided by doctors who work outside of the UK. Due to concerns about transphobia amongst some UK institutions and historic cases of regulatory investigation of UK doctors who offer gender-affirming care, we feel that gender specialists from countries that understand the informed consent model of care are safer for you as a patient, and for the doctors that provide you care.'

Is this really legal?

ScrimshawTheSecond · 03/06/2019 14:05
  • that quote from GenderGP website, under 'Medical Advice', here:

gendergp.co.uk/governance/

OldCrone · 05/06/2019 08:23

This was posted on the Mike Webberley thread. Helen Webberley will be speaking at this event in Cornwall on Saturday 8th June.

www.safehaven.org.uk/2019/04/12/gender-gp-roadshow/

There's no mention on there of her suspension.

LangCleg · 05/06/2019 08:37

This is the CQC report into Dr Matt Ltd.

Key findings:

Practice policies were available but staff had no awareness of the policies. For example, the adult safeguarding policy.

Risks to patients were not appropriately assessed or managed. For example, we found patients being prescribed large quantities of inhalers for the treatment of respiratory disease but there was a lack of monitoring or follow up for these patients whose condition could put them at serious risk of harm.

There service did not follow current evidence based guidelines and standards.

There was no formal programme in place for quality improvement, for example clinical audits, to assess the service provision including organisational learning from significant events.

The service did not have a business continuity plan in place to deal with disruption to the service or staff absence.

cqc.org.uk/sites/default/files/new_reports/AAAG2254.pdf

ThePurportedDoctoress · 05/06/2019 09:43

'All medical advice and prescriptions are provided by doctors who work outside of the UK. Due to concerns about transphobia amongst some UK institutions and historic cases of regulatory investigation of UK doctors who offer gender-affirming care, we feel that gender specialists from countries that understand the informed consent model of care are safer for you as a patient, and for the doctors that provide you care.'

Is this really legal?

Yes, in the sense that the Care Quality Commission has no control over online services registered overseas (or over non-registered UK-based businesses, it seems, since GenderGP was never registered with CQC).
But: the Webberleys themselves can't practise in Spain unless they register locally, and I'm not sure how they would be able to do that when both have been suspended in the UK.
They have told customers that they will get someone else to write prescriptions, and Clear Chemist will continue to dispense them. In this case, my understanding is that Clear Chemist will carry the risk since they are required to do due diligence on EEA prescriptions.