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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Alison Moyet is back...

101 replies

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 29/05/2019 15:47

...and she’s gender non conforming and rejecting cis! Go Alf!

Alison Moyet is back...
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Voice0fReason · 29/05/2019 22:40

I always loved Alf
Welcome back Alison

EmpressLesbianInChair · 29/05/2019 22:48

The last time she spoke up, I bought Ordinary Girl.

The last time she spoke up, I bought her Best Of album to listen to when running & was completely blown away by her phenomenal voice.

Daughterofmabel · 29/05/2019 22:53

So after a particularly hideous day that has really put a smile in my face. Yep Alison - fuck em!

WelshMoth · 29/05/2019 22:59

Welcome back Alison 👊

KittensinaBlender · 29/05/2019 23:05

Glad to see Alf coming back fighting. Amazing woman.

ZebrasAreBras · 29/05/2019 23:09

Welcome back Alison - we need you Wine

There's a load of men (actual men, identifying as male) telling Alison off on that twitter thread. The world is so full of men (actual men, identifying as male) who want to tell women what to do and how to think - nothing has opened my eyes to this more than the transgender movement.

TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole · 30/05/2019 01:00

99% of the time after TRAs tell omeone to go educate themselves, they do so and come back solid GC. Its an awful tactic really if they are trying to win public opinion, this attacking everyone and..educate yourself when they know fine well that sunlight is very bad for the things tey campaign for

TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole · 30/05/2019 01:01

Awaiting JK Rowlings 'fuck you' too. Shes been attacked twice that I know of by TRAs..backed out each time, but has been quiet recently. Doesn't seem her style mind, to say stuff like that but I can dream Grin

GrimDamnFanjo · 30/05/2019 01:25

Yay! #genderfree !

RageAgainstTheVendingMachine · 30/05/2019 01:50

She still sounds fabulous.

Defenbaker · 30/05/2019 02:00

I'm confused... is she for or against the trans movement? I don't know any trans people, so would be grateful if someone could explain what she's getting at.

If she rejects CIS does that mean she does not go along with the notion of gender being assigned at birth? Or is she saying that gender is a biological fact, but you don't have to conform to gender stereotypes?

I can't keep up with it all.

RageAgainstTheVendingMachine · 30/05/2019 02:17

She was a bloody strong LGBT ally for years....but got shafted last year iirc for saying she did not like the cis label. Which is her right. I don't care personally about cis as a term but many many do. As is their right.
So I would guess she is like many on here - she is not anti trans, she is anti TRAs taking away her right to define herself as a woman.

HermioneMakepeace · 30/05/2019 02:43

Oh, this is amazing news! It was so sad when she backed down before, but the fact she is back is bloody brilliant!

Also love the fact she went away to think about it and came back with “Fuck You!” 😁.

ChristinaBB · 30/05/2019 02:47

Love Alison.
Does anyone have a pic of the genderfree flag to hand?
Been googling but get an astonishing array of ‘gendered’ flags and don’t know which way is up! I really don’t want to pick the wrong flag by accident. TIA.

Defenbaker · 30/05/2019 03:05

Thanks for explaining, RageATVM.

So, she sympathises with the LGBT community, but doesn't like the term CIS. That seems fair enough.

From what I've heard, some people are saying that gender details should not be put on birth certificates. Seems crazy and confusing to me.

EmpressLesbianInChair · 30/05/2019 07:03

Many LGBs don’t like the term cis either.

Gender is all about misogynist sex-role-stereotypes & ‘cis’ implies that women accept the box we’re pushed into. India Willoughby was shocked that Mumsnetters didn’t just talk about pushchairs & lipstick, because that’s what would occupy cis (stereotypical) mothers.

I think sex details should remain on passports.

HorsewithnoHoldsBarred · 30/05/2019 07:40

I love Alf.

OVAgroundWOMBlingfree · 30/05/2019 08:11

Terrific.

MoreSlidingDoors · 30/05/2019 08:16

If she rejects CIS does that mean she does not go along with the notion of gender being assigned at birth? Or is she saying that gender is a biological fact, but you don't have to conform to gender stereotypes?

From what I've heard, some people are saying that gender details should not be put on birth certificates. Seems crazy and confusing to me.

You’re conflating sex and gender. Gender cannot be observed at birth - that’s sex. Gender isn’t on birth certificates - that’s sex. Biological.

Gender is a societal construct - made up. Not biological fact.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 30/05/2019 08:19

Let’s just make it simple.

Let’s just use sex as a description. With the very occasional variation that is intersex.

Let’s just leave ‘gender’ back in the dark ages where it belongs.

EmpressLesbianInChair · 30/05/2019 12:05

Let’s just leave ‘gender’ back in the dark ages where it belongs.

Excellent suggestion.

InsulatedCup · 30/05/2019 12:16

Although you can change your 'sex' on your passport with just a letter from your gp.

EmpressLesbianInChair · 30/05/2019 12:19

Although you can change your 'sex' on your passport with just a letter from your gp.

And one of the Man Friday women changed her sex on her driving licence from female to male & back again, just by asking.

Somerville · 30/05/2019 12:45

ChristinaBB

The 🏁 emoji is used for genderfree.

There is also Peachy’s stunner.

Alison Moyet is back...
BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 30/05/2019 13:04

👌fantastic

‘Fuck you’ is the correct response to anyone who wants you to accept the term ‘cis’ Star