Toilets again - desire for privacy is 'transphobic' apparently

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UCLA students complaining about the proposed new mixed-sex loos because:
“Specifically the floor-to-ceiling dividers for all-gender restrooms, they [the University] want them to be much … longer than for men’s and women’s restroom, and we take this as a sign of transphobia because … this basically comes out of a want for privacy and an all-gender restroom, and that want for privacy comes from a fear of trans and nonbinary people” said a student spokesperson.
Might be 'over there' right now but sure as eggs is non-binary eggs, it'll be here too before long...
dailybruin.com/2019/05/28/students-voice-concerns-about-bathroom-policy-security-camera-monitoring/

Menuplant I remember as I was on that thread. Some wokeybloke telling us that men perve on women and girls mostly out of curiosity and if women were a bit more inclined to undress in unisex spaces the perving level would reduce.

Because obvs the availability to view women’s bodies in every newspaper, magazine, advertisement, tv show, film and 99% of the vast global www offer isn’t quite enough. Women must be made more available to the poor men.

And we're back to incels. So many roads lead back to incels.

Some wokeybloke telling us that men perve on women and girls mostly out of curiosity and if women were a bit more inclined to undress in unisex spaces the perving level would reduce.

I remember him. A Man Who Had Been Abroad.

Why on earth would anyone complain about more privacy?

Power and control.

The man who stuck his head under my cubicle door at a gender neutral ‘changing village’ didn’t give appear to be doing so in order to ask my feelings about transpeople...

Why on earth would more privacy be a problem?

Unless a floor to ceiling door/petition would turn it into more of an individual contained unit and ergo you could potentially forget what rest room you were in and subsequently get no validation ?

Wouldnt be because you cant film through or under and therefore makes it pointless peeing altogether?

I totally think it is possible. I used to work in the reception area of the women's residence at my university. The young women in their first year were so, so, naive, especially early on in the year. They would quite happily head off to the room or off campus home of some young man they had just met, or out on the town where they didn't know their way around, without telling anyone where they were going or when they expected to return.

I am not an anxious person and am accept that life is full of risks - I used to walk home in the dodgy part of town at night alone. But it never even seemed to occur to these girls that they didn't know these people, didn't know what they were like, that maybe getting very inebriated in a situation like that wasn't wise. It wasn't a chosen risk, it was complete lack of awareness.

It is also my observation that a worryingly large number of women here have been flashed, perved on or assaulted as children in public facilities. It is very common when I speak to friends also.

My first experience of inappropriate sexual behaviour was when a man flashed his semi at me in the pool changing rooms. I was 6.

Women’s desire to have privacy isn’t convenient for men like this. We spoil their fun and that’s mean.

I wonder if the generational difference and naivety has something to do with the fact that DCs are now chauffeured around everywhere by parents, whereas by the age of 18 many of us had already experienced a significant amount of harassment, gropings, flashings, etc from using public transport or having to walk places? I was already very wary of men by the time I went to university.

The push for mixed sex toilets that has come out of this whole thing suggests to me that this issue has absolutely fuck all to do with poor vulnerable transwomen being worried about being beaten up in the loo and everything to do with encroaching on women's space and privacy.

This. Erosion, bit by bit until we have no privacy or safety until we are obliged to take massive risks - or are driven out. And all because MRAs are gaslighting women to agree with them and their various nasty agendas.

This is heart breaking. Why not three spaces- females, males, anyone on flier to ceiling cubicals?

GCAAcademic

That's an interesting point, you might be right. I do think that lack of different negative or difficult experiences at younger ages does impact young adults, its like they have to work through the same things later in life, but they often seem less capable of doing it or they find it more stressful.

I'd hate to say that maybe the experience of getting flashed by someone, or similar experiences, is a positive thing for personal growth. But there is something to be said for experience.

Women and girls really need to start saying No to this shit. We have a right to sex segregated spaces-give an inch & we'll lose everything.

Yes, see how the rhetoric is changing. It is not enough for them to force their way into women's spaces. Because it's about power and removing rights from women.

It reminds me of an interview I read with a US army colonel or something, in which he said women wouldn't be allowed to shower in a towel if they were uncomfortable about having to shower with MTF people, as it was "othering".

LOL

It gets more honest as each layer comes off, doesn't it? Let's cut to the chase here. Women wanting privacy:

• reduces validation points
• removes the thrill

But yes. I'm all for the general public seeing first hand the seeing women as subhuman, the narcissism, the total rejection of anyone else's needs feelings or interests and perceiving all other people as living merely to meet their needs. Let's put it right out there, let's have it right in plain sight. Let's talk about that, and about socially acceptable behaviour and boundaries and why women are saying back the fuck off. And playing spot the pathology.

And just in case anyone still has any lingering doubt:

There's no room for compromise

There's no room for anyone else's needs

There's no room for consideration or empathy or actually caring about women

Women having rights is transphobic, we knew that. Now women having needs and feelings is transphobic.

Male supremacism.

Women having rights is transphobic, we knew that. Now women having needs and feelings is transphobic.

Male supremacism.

Correct. We've seen it from Izzard and I've seen it cropping up on Twitter recently: "Why don't we just have mixed bathrooms and locker rooms, anyway? Why are people (women) so hung up?"

NB I used the 'bathrooms and locker rooms' because it's been mostly American men saying this - so far.

Exactly. “We demand the right to see your bits!” And “We demand the right to beat you at sport!”

I really think women should do up a mock politician campaign on this.

Everything that sets us apart from the other animals is a social construct

Well even my cats like privacy when having a shit.

They deliberately misunderstand, don't they?

Well we know tha5 some men like taking video and pics of women and girls peeing. For some weird fetish
Another weird male fetish is stealing used tampons and pads out of sanitary bins in loos; naturally, these perverts love unisex toilets!

Well even my cats like privacy when having a shit.

I was about to make the same observation.

Cats’ll give you a proper old-fashioned look if they catch you staring.

GCacademic, a good point. DD seemed out of kilter with her peers when she went to university away from her central London home. A lot might be down to a more innate sense of risk. London kids use public transport from an early age (she took the bus to her primary with her older brother from about eight) and are inevitably aware of dodgy blokes and mugging. This translated into a more cautious approach (you really dont want to get on a London night bus alone and paralytic) and hence a reluctance to fling herself headlong into the first year freshers week/clubbing/drinking etc. She is not the only Londoner to have struggled with what could be seen as naivity. Second year is much easier as they have all grown up.

“Oh we didn’t realize that floor to ceiling partitions might be seen as transphobic, thank goodness we have these woke students to set us right.”

NO. Just fucking NO. You were right the first time, take the fucking blinders off and be the fucking grown ups you were hired to be. They don’t give a crap about the cost, they don’t give a shit about transphobia - it’s about control. It’s about they’ll never be satisfied until there are no cubicles at all never mind completely enclosed ones. Bloody hell, why do the the so-called college authorities cave into this so easily? It’s like all their brains have been switched off.

There’s a comment on there that says people will just avoid the all-gender bathrooms and use the single-sex ones. Well, no sweetie, no they won’t, see, because there won’t be any single sex ones because gender feelz trump sex realz.

You really couldn't make this shit up.

I've been thinking about his a bit. I don't think that this kind of stuff from students is all about them wanting to control or put down women.

I think like some have mentioned there is an element of not having a set of experiences that gives a lot of context. And that might not include only things like assault but also the desire for privacy.

But I have been thinking that it reminds me of certain other reactions to political issues on the mainstream progressive left. One that strikes me is immigration. In defending immigration, there is a real tendency among that group to not want to talk about and of the issues or possibilities brought up by conservatives. Problems that could occur, or what would be reasonable limits, things that in many ways are natural questions around policy, and which it would be possible to discuss without undermining their position.
It's as if there is an ideological directive which says that it is wrong to ask any questions about the topic or think immigration policy could ever, possibly, be used improperly or anything like that. As if even consider that such things might happen at times means the conservative view has won.
I wonder if something similar is at work here.