Imperial College London study into womb transplant for transwomen

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I don't know if this has already been mentioned - I can't find it if it has - but wtf.
I have so many questions about and problems with this I don't even know where to begin.

Someone tell me how to opt out of donating my womb in the worst case scenario.
Corneas are an option, wombs should be too.
No way do I want to be a part of this alive or dead.
My son had to come out by emergency c section, perfect pregnancy, my womb did its job, my cervix didn't.

This is sick. These people are sick.

Whatever they think they're identifying as, it isn't us.

Literally this x1000000000

Can you imagine how many spontaneous abortions and late miscarriages would be involved in any research path for this? Not to mention congenital defects and the years of horrific animal experimentation - forcing male dogs and monkeys to carry foetuses until their abdomens ruptured? All in the name of propping up some ludicrous narcissists fantasies. Sick indeed.

This is the website of the charity who plan to carry out the transplants, Womb Transplant UK:

wombtransplantuk.org/position/trustees

That's the Trustees' page - all male. Paging Dr Frankenstein.

Here's their news page about how they are now doing transplants from live donors:

wombtransplantuk.org/the-uk-womb-transplant-research-team-to-expand-research-programme

"There will now be another five operations involving live donors and it is hoped that the programme will begin later this year.

Team leader, consultant gynaecologist Mr Richard Smith, said that new and much safer organ retrieval techniques, which have proved very successful in a programme in Dallas, Texas, mean that the time taken for the operation has been reduced dramatically.

“Patient safety has always been of paramount importance to our team and we have changed our protocols to include proven advances achieved by respected transplant teams elsewhere in the world,” he said.

“Risks for the live donor have been reduced considerably and we will be working with the team from Dallas who have recently announced that two babies have been born following the innovations they have introduced.”

“We hope to carry out the first operation of its kind in the UK later this year. However to complete both research programmes that will be running in parallel, we still need to raise more funds,” he said."

Men should be banned from being gynaecologists.

Al the babies born with learning difficulties and cerebral palsy sue to oxygen deprivation from inadequate placenta/blood supplies. The mind boggles.

Do these idiots not realise how risky and fraught biological pregnancies are in people with the optimum bodies for them? Why would you try and shoehorn that into a system that wasn't designed for it?

I am more than a little suspicious about this, it doesn't look or sound right somehow. The transplant numbers cited are tiny, worldwide and the number of live births even smaller. No information about any follow-up on the children? Crucial, I'd have thought.
And it positively glosses over the enormous differences and difficulties when carrying out the process on male bodies. If I was a trans woman I wouldn't be holding my breath.

The charity mentioned, Womb Transplant UK seems to be all about transplants for women though. No mention of transwomen.
Also they need 500k but so far have raised less than 90k.

They might not raise so much money if they were honest that their plan is to carry out inhumane and horrifying experiments on babies.

Just a thought - I may have had so bear with me.

Lets assume UTx some time in the future does become an established treatment option for women with AUFI, and it is therefore deemed illegal under EU legislation to refuse to perform UTx in transgender women. Lets also assume there's at least one success.

What then makes transgender women so special? GRS in hand, surgery, a shed load of drugs, the wonders of modern science and it becomes discriminatory to deny the possibly of giving birth.

But if it's deemed discriminatory to deny transgender women the op, surely there's a case to say it would also be discriminatory to deny it to any other biological male who wishes to have the same chance to give birth?

Am I making sense? Maybe not. Possibly too much

A man giving birth !! what next , the pain of child birth ! Or will it be a c section ? Or have I got everything wrong here ?

But if it's deemed discriminatory to deny transgender women the op, surely there's a case to say it would also be discriminatory to deny it to any other biological male who wishes to have the same chance to give birth?

This is the least of our worries.

I don't know why transwomen want a womb. Maybe they think it would be a nice affirmingly womanly thing to have. OK. Let's see how that works out. It'll be grim, we can tell them, but they won't listen.

But maybe they want one to grow babies. Then it gets really grim. For them - they have no idea, do they. And for foetuses. Who may or may not be people, depending on your views of things like ensoulment or birth, but no one wants a creature capable of suffering to actually suffer.
But just supposing, mirabile dictu, that a baby comes to term - what on earth has it endured and how has it been affected, not least by artificial hormones and immunosuppressants, let alone its cramped environment, an independent human in his or her own right?

It's experimenting on people without consent.

I'm really hoping this is a sophisticated hoax. FFS

Im a bit old - but if I was 20 years younger Id love to. I might still register to bump up the interest level tho. Additionally Id guess that the egg in the womb could be fertilised by our own frozen sperm. What an ultra win that is.

Alternatively, get a girlfriend and make babies from your sperm the way mammals have been doing forever.

What kind of sicko wants to be the biological mother and father of the same child?

What they are after isn’t a baby, it’s a clone.

Also, transmen will be unsuitable as donors since their wombs will be prepubescent (thanks to puberty blockers) and further atrophied by male hormones.

Might as well just have a tumour transplant and cut out the middleman.

Meanwhile, there's a concerted effort in developed nations to divorce the words "woman" and "mother" from their meanings, in favour of language such as "birthing person" and "cervix haver" etc.

Canada are banning "mother" "father" and other gendered language from all their government agencies www.cbc.ca/news/politics/service-canada-gender-neutral-1.4585629

What's the long term plan here, then?

What then makes transgender women so special? GRS in hand, surgery, a shed load of drugs, the wonders of modern science and it becomes discriminatory to deny the possibly of giving birth

I'm starting to think, this isn't about transwomen at all. They're just convenient & willing guinea pigs.

This is about biotechnology and taking steps towards transhumanism.

I can’t imagine a medical ethics committee allowing this. Surely such a proposal would be heavily scrutinised? I mean, it isn’t ethical at all.

According to Senior Law Lecturer Natasha Hammond-Browning,

until a legal challenge is brought and clarification given, any medical practitioner who performs an embryo transfer to a transgender woman who has undergone UTx is at risk of being subject to the sanctions of the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Act (a fine and/or imprisonment up to 10 years). The Act is explicit in its definition, and anything other than a strict interpretation of this provision is hard to foresee. eprints.glos.ac.uk/6329/1/Letter%20Hammond-Browning-2018-BJOG__An_International_Journal_of_Obstetrics_%26_Gynaecology.pdf

The fact that this procedure is unnecessarily dangerous to the female donors and these men want to do it anyway tells you everything you need to know about them.

The thing they always seem to forget is that millions and millions and millions of women can’t have children/repeatedly miscarry and the problem is far more complicated than simply having a ‘womb transplant’.

What was the name of that Nazi doctor who carried out all of those experiments?

Dr Mendl? Anyway I'm opting out. I will be making my family aware of my wishes.

This is just bollocks surely? Either a wind-up or fantasy. Probably the first.