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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Bristol Uni - TRAs trying to shut down a student society meeting

25 replies

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 21/05/2019 21:24

Sharpen your emails everybody.

This ridiculous tantrum of a poster is doing the rounds and we need to contact Vice Chancellor Brady to register our support for the event (and the principle of it).

I would hazard a guess that most of us are slightly more eloquent than the overtired, angry toddlers behind this, which bodes well for his inbox.

Please take 5 minutes to write to him and give him reasons/examples etc why this meeting must be supported by him: [email protected]

Bristol Uni  - TRAs trying to shut down a student society meeting
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FloralBunting · 21/05/2019 21:39

Women talking back is unacceptable. I love it when they are so nakedly honest.

Whorephobic is also particularly delightful as far as language goes. I wouldn't dream of calling a woman who for whatever reason finds herself selling her body a 'whore' because it's a grossly misogynist insult. But then, I don't think women talking back is unacceptable and these people do, so I guess calling women whores is par for the course for them.

Needmoresleep · 21/05/2019 21:42

There is history. This is the student newspaper view of last year’s events

epigram.org.uk/2019/05/13/the-university-could-be-at-risk-of-complicity-in-anti-transgender-bullying-campaign/

and the Student Union recently failed to reconfirm a commitment to free speech

epigram.org.uk/2019/02/28/does-bristol-university-really-have-a-problem-with-freedom-of-speech/

Students eh..

OhHolyJesus · 21/05/2019 21:43

Oh I do love writing an angry email. Thanks OP, gives me a nice chance to vent.

Ereshkigal · 21/05/2019 21:46

Anyone know what happened with the hearing they have just had last week for one particular student re the Woman's Place meeting.

Event sounds great. Is it public?

Ereshkigal · 21/05/2019 21:46

Anyone know what happened with the hearing they have just had last week at Bristol uni for one particular student re the Woman's Place meeting?

Event sounds great. Is it public?

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 21/05/2019 21:46

As well as history, there is this present:

www.facebook.com/events/2726988427316929/

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Ereshkigal · 21/05/2019 21:47

Sorry for duplicate

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 21/05/2019 21:48

OhHolyJesus Oh I do love writing an angry email. Thanks OP, gives me a nice chance to vent.

I would venture to suggest you take that anger and turn it into ice-cool facts. I'm sure VC Brady will be receiving plenty of angry gibberish from other opinions so it will make a nice change to read something literate and actually informed/informative.

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BuzzShitbagBobbly · 21/05/2019 21:51

Eresh Event sounds great. Is it public?

Looks like it. Another place where women are transparent and open, and anyone can go along to listen to what's being said. You'd think if they were actually evil transphobes, they'd want to keep it under wraps. Or at least have some masked men on stairwells to stop people going on...

www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/feminist-writers-talk-back-tickets-61701818801

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MsJeminaPuddleduck · 21/05/2019 21:59

Not the point I know, but that is a fantastic line of wonderful women writers. Wish I was nearer Bristol.

Does anyone think there's a chance that the speeches will be recorded?

sackrifice · 21/05/2019 22:14

Ae they angry because it is women literally just talking about women?

And because the women aren't allowed to talk about women any more? As women talking about women is literally transphobic in some way?

So they are actually doing what this meeting is talking about in silencing women? Odd that.

Manderleyagain · 21/05/2019 22:22

They haven't even spelled Sarah Ditum's name right.

Outofinspiration · 21/05/2019 22:40

These people can't help but show their misogyny can they?

These 'women talking back' are heinous apparently!

JackyHolyoake · 22/05/2019 05:54

Those children seem to be unaware of the guidance for higher education institutions about freedom of expression from the EHRC earlier this year:

www.equalityhumanrights.com/sites/default/files/freedom-of-expression-guide-for-higher-education-providers-and-students-unions-england-and-wales.pdf

Needmoresleep · 22/05/2019 07:16

To be fair, there has been quite a lot of debate within the student body. As well as the group organising this event, The Bristol Free Speech Society has organised a number of challenging talks, including one by Raquel Rosario Sanchez (organiser of last years WPUK meeting). Students themselves have been organising protests about issues that matter to them: welfare, changes to hall management, and rent levels, without necessarily looking to the increasingly irrelevant Student Union. And recently there has been shock at anti-Semitic comments by a couple of Student Union officers leading to fulsome apologies.

Times are different for students, with half worried about job prospects and high debt getting their heads down and working far harder than they did in my day, with the others partying as if they were on the Titanic. There are also some weird undercurrents. Being gaslit by the likes of Teddi and Lily and the other SU nonsenses may have put students off, or perhaps a desire for certainty, there seems to be a surprising strong, active and evangelical Christian Union presence and presumably their Islamic equivalent, across many societies and activities, even a few Tommy Robinson type England flags hanging from student houses.

(Thinks back to the Broad Left, the IMG, the WRP ...bizarrely the student campus of my generation then went on to produce a couple of Tory MPs.)

RoyalCorgi · 22/05/2019 07:32

There's something comical about the word "heinous". I think it's just the sense of fake outrage it carries. What could be worse than "heinous"?

As well as spelling Sarah Ditum's name wrong, at one point they refer to the "Woman talk back" society, as if it's just one woman. It's a poor show, given that Bristol is supposed to be one of our better universities.

littlbrowndog · 22/05/2019 08:35

Whorephobic. Cripes a made up totally bonkers word 😂🤦‍♀️

Antibles · 22/05/2019 10:30

Whorephobic? What a horrible word. Nobody in favour of protecting women would ever use the word whore. Disgusting. They are just a bunch of misogynists aren't they? Furious at us shining a light on their unpleasant motivations.

need that's interesting.

And the whole poster reeks of faux outrage.

R0wantrees · 22/05/2019 11:28

As well as the group organising this event, The Bristol Free Speech Society has organised a number of challenging talks, including one by Raquel Rosario Sanchez (organiser of last years WPUK meeting).

This came out of the 'We Need To Talk About Sex' meeting in Bristol last year.
One of the founders spoke in the Q&A session at the end.

The history at Bristol University goes back further still with harrassment of a student by TRAs following a WPUK meeting.

See threads:
Published 27.2.18
www.bris.ac.uk/news/2018/february/freedom-of-speech.html
The University of Bristol is re-affirming its commitment to freedom of speech and to the rights of all our students and staff to discuss difficult and sensitive topics, and to being a place where all feel safe, welcomed and respected, regardless of gender, race, sexual orientation, disability or social background.

The University has been made aware of the controversy surrounding a recent meeting in Bristol, organised by the group known as “A Woman’s Place” and chaired by one of our students. The stated purpose of the event was to discuss the implications of proposed changes in the law which would mean a person’s gender could be determined by self-identification alone, and concerns about what this might mean for single sex environments such as social and sports facilities, hospital wards, changing rooms and toilets.

An open letter was posted on social media calling for the event to be banned, on the basis that the discussion would be founded on hatred and distrust of transgender people. Some 200 people are believed to have signed up to this letter, including some of our students and staff. There were many related comments on social media, some of these describing the event - and anyone involved in its organisation - as by definition transphobic with some using abusive and intimidating language. We understand that in the end the event took place without incident.

While this event was not affiliated with or hosted by the University, it presents an opportune time to affirm our commitment to freedom of speech and to the rights of all our students and staff to discuss difficult and sensitive topics. Universities are places of research and learning, where debate and dissent are not only permitted but expected, and where controversial and even offensive ideas may be put forward, listened to and challenged. Intellectual freedom is fundamental to our mission and values. Our freedom of speech policy underlines the vital importance of our right, as members of a free and democratic society, to speak openly without fear of censorship or limitation, provided that this right is exercised responsibly, within the law, and with respect for others who may have differing views. We do not condone attempts to silence discussion before it has even taken place or the use of stereotyping or threatening language to prevent debate.

We also take this opportunity to affirm our equally strong commitment to making our University a place where all feel safe, welcomed and respected, regardless of gender, race, sexual orientation, disability or social background. We believe that calls for this event to be banned were largely founded on the sincere desire to show support and solidarity for transgender people in our society and in our university community. We regret however that this desire has been expressed by some in a manner which may have caused others to fear that their own right to meet and speak freely about matters of concern to them is not protected by the University.

Professor Nishan Canagarajah
Pro-Vice Chancellor Research & Enterprise
Chair of the University's Equality, Diversity and Inclusion Group
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3233018-Freedom-of-Speech-A-statement-by-the-Chair-of-the-Universitys-Equality-Diversity-and-Inclusion-Group

May 2018 re Nic Shall

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3259500-Trans-Student-Faces-Expulsion-from-Univeristy-of-Bristol

'We Need To Talk about Sex' event Bristol Jam Jar:

GlomOfNit · 22/05/2019 11:31

'Whorephobic'?!? WT actual Fuck?

By their colours shall ye know them.

R0wantrees · 22/05/2019 11:43

Students describing Woman's Place UK as 'the hate group' ?

Think that's a heady mix of ignorance and projection.

R0wantrees · 22/05/2019 11:47

Re Bristol University see Peter Dunne (law lecturer), Johanna Olson Kennedy, Dr Helen Webberley, Mermaids, TELI etc:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3542000-Johanna-Olson-Kennedy-visiting-Professor-at-Bristol-University

ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving · 22/05/2019 12:07

God what a disgrace. Bristol used to be such a well regarded university. They better get these prats inline or it's going to wreck their reputation. Will send an email.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 22/05/2019 13:45

That poster is really shocking. Authoritarian, misogynist, entitled - and in serious need of proof reading. If I were issuing a call to arms in a university I'd try to avoid spelling, grammar and stylistic errors... Grin

Have written to Hugh Grady. I grew up in the area and family members went to the university so it's important to me.

FreckledLeopard · 22/05/2019 14:35

Have purchased tickets - shall go along and report back!

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