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Naked Yoga and Cuddle Parties: Lap Dancing Clubs for the Woke

67 replies

AlwaysComingHome · 16/05/2019 23:15

Interesting article on Quillette that confirms most of what we think about Woke Bros:

As a journalist writing about weird workshops and unusual classes I’ve covered cuddle parties, rope-binding, naked yoga, and tantra, to name but a few. These classes are popular with the hipsters who are colonising Hackney Wick and other areas of East London in the throes of gentrification. And with each event I cover, I become more suspicious that these “alternative” workshops are simply a way for apparently progressive men to gawp at women—lap dancing clubs for the woke...

quillette.com/2019/05/15/naked-yoga-and-cuddle-parties-lap-dancing-clubs-for-the-woke/

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TheInebriati · 16/05/2019 23:22

Rope binding. Let me guess, thats a chance for women to practice lassoing beardy bros, amirite?

MangoesAreMyFavourite · 16/05/2019 23:33

Every day is a school day here.
I go to work in hipsterville, I'll keep an eye out for the wokeshops... and steer clear.

Ereshkigal · 16/05/2019 23:46

Great article, and no, not surprising.

Ereshkigal · 16/05/2019 23:53

Relevant thread I think:

Anyone for a spot of gender-neutral wanking?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3582761-Anyone-for-a-spot-of-gender-neutral-wanking

Goosefoot · 17/05/2019 01:16

I have wondered how women are so clueless that they take this stuff at face value. I mean, I am not cynical particularly about men, I like them a lot. I like cuddling too. But I can very easily see the problem with having parties where you cuddle with a bunch of people you don't know.

(Not to mention, it's an aside but who wants to cuddle with someone without any real affection in it? )

I have to wonder if some of the women don't enjoy the ego boost in what seems like a safe environment?

LassOfFyvie · 17/05/2019 01:33

I have wondered how women are so clueless that they take this stuff at face value. I mean, I am not cynical particularly about men, I like them a lot

That was my thoughts exactly. I didn't feel a shred of sympathy for any of the women referred to in the article. I was irritated by the writer's tone and her assumption that I should be outraged by it.

What she is describing isn't prostitution or stripping. None of the women, whether instructors or participants, are forced to get involved with this. Can anyone really be too dim not to realise naked yoga and cuddle parties will be just as grim as described? Or if you really are that dim, presumably you don't go back after the first one.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 17/05/2019 03:17

I posted on another thread about a 30 y.o friend of mine who lives in a very fashionable part of London. He was invited to a party thrown by some women friends of a friend. It was described as a topless lesbian party by the hostesses. To which men were invited (no money changed hands). It got pretty raunchy and he went home with one of the "lesbians".

He was baffled by the motivation for throwing the party. Did it have anything to do with lesbianism or feminism? I said no. We had a chat about the male gaze and exhibitionism. Very weird.

FannyCann · 17/05/2019 04:22

“I don’t know what it is, but I’ve noticed that if there’s an event with nakedness, the majority of people who turn up will be older guys.”

If women turn up to these things in earnest belief and expectation of ? Well I don't know what you'd expect to get out of any of those classes. But I went from laughing to exasperation as I read. Creepy men and idiot women. What a combination.
Just highlights how women need all female spaces but I suppose if these classes were advertised as women only there'd be an outcry and demands to include the wrong sort of women.

LassOfFyvie · 17/05/2019 05:49

Just highlights how women need all female spaces

No, it really doesn't. It illustrates nothing more than what it illustrates- what on earth were they expecting going to these classes.

AnyOldPrion · 17/05/2019 06:51

Or if you really are that dim, presumably you don't go back after the first one.

The article suggests that’s exactly what happens:

’unlike the men who are often regulars, the women don’t necessarily go back once they’ve grasped that they’re woke-bro bait. A friend of mine told me: “I know two women who’ve been to a cuddle party and neither of them would ever go back because they both felt it was a bit gross. They’re not charity workers for needy people.”’

I might have gone to a cuddle party when I was young, naive and lonely.

Fanny, I think the invasion of women’s spaces by older men who claim to be women is a perfect demonstration of male pattern behaviour continuing after “transition”

TimeLady · 17/05/2019 07:35

My goodness, how gullible can some women be? Shock

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 17/05/2019 07:58

These men are often older, usually single, left-leaning middle-class guys who sometimes sport a man-bun and a big, bushy beard—lubricated with artisan beard-oil—along with loose cotton trousers. They’re the kind of guys who performatively check their privilege, and who take it upon themselves to supervise the privilege-checking of others

ugh. wouldn't spend time with such people with my clothes on, let alone naked.

RussellSprout · 17/05/2019 08:18

A cuddle party sounds like my idea of hell.

KarenTheCashRegister · 17/05/2019 08:20

I used to work with someone who was so woke it was unbelievable. She was actually lovely.

But she was such a people pleaser it was unreal. Her friends seemed more like clients who she felt she could support and improve. Boyfriends were the dude bros variety who I got a sense that they felt they were superior to her (and women in general)

I could see her doing naked yoga/cuddle parties to to make everyone else happy.

ChattyLion · 17/05/2019 09:54

Oh that article is fucking gross. Sorry but who else apart from emotionally damaged people or predatory men would be into that shit. Ugh.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 17/05/2019 09:57

I guess the main point of this article is that the wokey-blokies are behaving like any lap dancing club attendee - viewing women's bodies as objects for their own gratification, while simultaneously feeling like a 'good guy'.

these are totally the same men who think they get to decide who uses women's changing rooms whilst patting themselves on the back about how inclusive they are.

Fucktifikeepmyrealname · 17/05/2019 10:04

Is there not an element of self selection in all of this? It's a wee bit like Jeremy Kyle: the only people who'd willingly participate are already damaged and/or mentally ill. There's little incentive for folk of sound mind, strong interpersonal relationships and some kind of physical emotional stability to participate.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 17/05/2019 10:09

yeah, any sensible woman with healthy boundaries would run a mile from an event like this. I totally agree.

Ereshkigal · 17/05/2019 10:12

Society is currently grooming girls to believe boundaries are wrong.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 17/05/2019 10:13

yes.

don't want to get naked in front of males?

Evil, exclusionary transphobe!

if young women start believing this bullshit, cui bono?

Datun · 17/05/2019 10:21

allowing them to feel like nice guys while they’re perving over women half their age who’ve been manipulated into pairing up with them. And all the while they think they’re morally superior to the sort of men who “exploit” and “objectify” women by paying them to take their tops off in strip clubs.

Quite.

And yes it's grooming. And it's grooming of women who are unable, for whatever reason, to assert their boundaries. And therefore vulnerable.

I'm really glad, that, at least, on here, those endless prudery/pearl clutching accusations are getting less (fewer?)

The gender ideology, coupled with the work bro bandwagon jumping, has really exposed quite how many situations there are to promote pervy behaviour under the disguise of progress.

Sex lessons in school, anal sex instructions in teen magazines, these ridiculous classes, choosing your sex and accessing women and children, etc.

All of it getting sunlight.

Endofthedays · 17/05/2019 10:45

The writer might want to consider why the events are attracting young women and old men, but not young men and old women.

deydododatdodontdeydo · 17/05/2019 10:58

Just highlights how women need all female spaces but I suppose

That wouldn't help in this case, because the women are choosing freely to enter these spaces.

WhatTheWatersShowedMe · 17/05/2019 11:21

Ugh, I can't imagine anything worse than those workshops described. Naked Yoga? I mean FFS, what sane woman would go to that??! Gross.

Genderfreelass · 17/05/2019 11:55

Saggy old man doing a downward dog - think I might need to vomit