Letters to prison magazine Inside Time by two trans inmates

[LangCleg]

Both these trans prisoners take pot shots at the MoJ policy that saw prisoners housed according to self identification, regardless of risk factor. They are forthright. Extracts:

Can I applaud HMPPS for finally doing something sensible in relation to trans prisoners by setting up a unit that isolates those assorted freaks that think it’s acceptable to invade women’s safe places with an intact penis.

Since being in prison I have witnessed 17 sex offenders jump on the trans bandwagon hence my article of October 2016 “trans imposters” and having had the misfortune to live amongst these characters I can tell you with the exception of about two of them, I would hate to see any of them in a female prison.

insidetime.org/importance-of-a-womans-space/

insidetime.org/are-they-stupid/

Richard Garside Twitter thread about the letters here:

twitter.com/RichardJGarside/status/1127859348712112128

Since being in prison I have witnessed 17 sex offenders jump on the trans bandwagon

That is quite alarming but not surprising for those of us concerned for this exact reason.

from the first letter:

(extract)
“It isn’t until you have the thing removed that you are a woman and shouldn’t be mixing with vulnerable women.” (continues)
concludes:
"So instead of making life cozy for those who have invaded the female estate, how about sorting out the morons who make life difficult for those of us who recognise the importance of women’s spaces and will remain in the male estate until we have surgery."

This pernicious and false idea that an operation on a male's genitals can 'change sex' or make a male 'become' a woman needs to be challenged at its source which is with a small number of predominately male surgeons & psychologists.

from the second letter:
(extract)
"I would have thought the MoJ would want to protect its female prisoners in the future.

“How can it be right to put a pre-op trans sex offender in the female estate, even if they are on hormones, the mindset doesn’t change in these individuals and they still have their hands even if other bits don’t work.” (continues)

Since being in prison I have witnessed 17 sex offenders jump on the trans bandwagon

But this doesn't happen

This pernicious and false idea that an operation on a male's genitals can 'change sex' or make a male 'become' a woman needs to be challenged at its source which is with a small number of predominately male surgeons & psychologists.

I concur. Prisons should be categorised by sex and risk. And the prison service should deal with the problems faced by male trans prisoners in male prisons as described in these letters, not pass the buck by transferring to the female estate.

But this doesn't happen

Arguably, the prison service itself is making it happen with medical approaches to sex offenders including prescribing anti-androgens. Half of the 120 so treated subsequently decided to transition.

twitter.com/jennyrossity/status/1067498512252837889

If they are going to have prisons withing prisons IMO it should be transmen in a unit on the female estate and transwomen in a unit on the male estate. That should be safer for all prisoners and also enable judges to put away transmen - one recently let off jail as they didn't really have anywhere to put them as male prison deemed too dangerous!

Seriously, we need to be asking if they would house a male in the female estate if he had his genitals removed for any other reason. Its bizarre.

Seriously, we need to be asking if they would house a male in the female estate if he had his genitals removed for any other reason.

Exactly. This question totally points out the hypocrisy.

Thank you Lang. From your link:

GIDs say they cannot cope with the sheer amount of referrals from prison

So, take a step back and look at what is causing this instead of just going along with every request and not giving a toss about the women who will suffer the consequences. If they just stopped to question why they're getting so many requests and tackled the route of this whole trans bandwagon we wouldn't be having to think about where to house males who say they're women in the first place.

The MoJ consult with trans lobby groups before placing trans prisoners. I keep wondering whether the MoJ consults with other 'special interest' organisations before placing vulnerable prisoners - abused women? lesbian / gay prisoners? hearing impaired? autistic? and so on. How many other groups get this level of involvement in placements I wonder?

While someone may have had their bits rearranged, they still have their superior size and strength, they still have their hands, and they are still a man. Something which is acknowledged but then ignored again.

I couldn’t tell you if all those men who have sexually harassed me in the street or pestered and groped me in pubs and clubs still have their bits, it hardly mattered to me at the time. I assume they had and I didn’t want to find out, I just wanted them to fuck off. The knowledge that they didn’t have a cock and balls would not have made me feel any better, or any safer, and it won’t make the women in prison feel any better or any safer either.

The premise here appears to be that sexual assault is not as serious as rape, and while sometimes it might not be I’ve known women who have suffered horrific sexual assault where no penis was involved. Even this practice misses the point though, because men as a class pose a significant risk to women as a class, so there should be no men of any type or genital configuration in prison with women.

While I don’t believe a male person should be housed in the female estate for any reason, I am once again struck by the bitter irony that the trans identifying males that likely pose the least risk to women are the ones who make the fewest demands to access womens’ spaces.

Ideally all prisoners, including trans prisoners, will be housed safely and humanely for the duration of their sentence, with access to adequate physical and mental health care. Trans prisoners, male and female, need to have their specific needs addressed within their birth estate.

Prisons need adequate resources to look after prisoners identified as trans at sentencing, as well as those who seemingly exhibit Prison Onset Gender Dysphoria - I would imagine that rates of POGD will go down significantly if sex estate transfer is totally ruled out forever - which might in turn free up some resources for prisoners who were already living in a cross sex identity before the date of the criminal offence.

When trans prisoners are pointing out the MoJ’s genderbatshittery, surely even the most woke ally can’t fail to notice it?

Very, very interesting, and good to hear from the horse's mouth so to speak. Thanks for sharing this, LangCleg.

One minor positive I just noticed in that garside thread - Ray Blanchard is now back on twitter!

They even admitted they done fucked up!
twitter.com/BlanchardPhD/status/1127744928694587392

Arguably, the prison service itself is making it happen with medical approaches to sex offenders including prescribing anti-androgens. Half of the 120 so treated subsequently decided to transition

Is this the opposite phenomenon to the doped female athlete who ended up transitioning to male in later life? www.andreas-krieger-story.org/en/

Since being in prison I have witnessed 17 sex offenders jump on the trans bandwagon

How utterly surprising and not at all predictable

Interesting that one of them objects to being addressed as 'guys' by the prison staff. Has he any idea how often groups of women get called guys?

Wow. They won’t be listened to. Obviously the ‘wrong type’ of trans.

Is this the opposite phenomenon to the doped female athlete who ended up transitioning to male in later life?

Well, I don't know what's in the minds of the authorities, obviously! Or what the drug mechanisms may or may not cause.

What I do know is that the last sex offender inmate intervention actually managed to increase recidivism so had to be abandoned - the geniuses had all the inmates sitting around in group therapy sessions and they basically spent them giving each other ideas.

Now the geniuses are trying medication with anti-androgens resulting in apparently a 50% transition rate while simultaneously making self-ID the operator for whether they are eligible for the female estate.

And they say we don't live in a patriarchy.

This pernicious and false idea that an operation on a male's genitals can 'change sex' or make a male 'become' a woman needs to be challenged at its source which is with a small number of predominately male surgeons & psychologists.

YY. Women aren't men minus male genitalia.

Arguably, the prison service itself is making it happen with medical approaches to sex offenders including prescribing anti-androgens. Half of the 120 so treated subsequently decided to transition.

This is shocking. How long before 'he was trapped in the wrong body' becomes a legitimate argument for a reduced sentence?

This is shocking. How long before 'he was trapped in the wrong body' becomes a legitimate argument for a reduced sentence?

There have been indications that some judge's apparent deep sympathy for this belief may have played a role in mitigation of sentences.

Is there a reputable article about sex offenders and recidivism after group therapy? Friend disputed this.

Is there a reputable article about sex offenders and recidivism after group therapy? Friend disputed this.

There are several threads on here talking about it and it was widely reported. A ten second Google gives:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/30/sex-offenders-on-group-treatment-programme-more-likely-to-reoffend

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40460637

Seriously, we need to be asking if they would house a male in the female estate if he had his genitals removed forany other reason. Its bizarre

There can't be many other reasons and presumably none would involve the creation of a neo- vagina. I would guess that the general public would probably agree that if there had been full surgery the male estate is not the right place.