Letters to prison magazine Inside Time by two trans inmates

[LangCleg]

Both these trans prisoners take pot shots at the MoJ policy that saw prisoners housed according to self identification, regardless of risk factor. They are forthright. Extracts:

Can I applaud HMPPS for finally doing something sensible in relation to trans prisoners by setting up a unit that isolates those assorted freaks that think it’s acceptable to invade women’s safe places with an intact penis.

Since being in prison I have witnessed 17 sex offenders jump on the trans bandwagon hence my article of October 2016 “trans imposters” and having had the misfortune to live amongst these characters I can tell you with the exception of about two of them, I would hate to see any of them in a female prison.

insidetime.org/importance-of-a-womans-space/

insidetime.org/are-they-stupid/

Richard Garside Twitter thread about the letters here:

twitter.com/RichardJGarside/status/1127859348712112128

I would guess that the general public would probably agree that if there had been full surgery the male estate is not the right place.

Male estate manages other vulnerable male prisoners.

There can't be many other reasons and presumably none would involve the creation of a neo- vagina. I would guess that the general public would probably agree that if there had been full surgery the male estate is not the right place.

You do know that prisoners can get SRS while inmates and post conviction, regardless of offence, right?

There certainly could be accidents where a man was horrifically wounded there, or attacked and wounded there by a vindictive criminal. It wouldn't remotely be on the suggestion radar that such a man be put in the female estate. The only reason the men who have voluntarily had it done are considered for the female estate is because of their inner feelings. Which is clearly a really fucking stupid reason to put a man in with women, whatever cosmetic surgery they had done.

It’s an absolute disgrace that male prisoners were able to self-ID as women and be housed with female prisoners. Good on the letter writers for speaking out.

I’m part of the general public and I’d say that male prisoners should be put in male prisons regardless of what surgery they’ve had.

You do know that prisoners can get SRS while inmates and post conviction, regardless of offence, right?

Yes - your point being what? I could be entirely wrong but I think if the question was put to the average person in the street many would agree with what the trans prisoner said.

Thanks Lang. I assumed it must be niche research because my friend does group therapy in prisons and when I mentioned what I'd heard she scoffed and ridiculed me as if I was a right conspiracy theorist.

It does not bloody matter whether these men "identify" as women. These men are not women.

It does not bloody matter whether they have had their cock & balls removed. Cock & ball removal does not mean that a man can become a woman.

Men should never be in the female estate.

I could be entirely wrong but I think if the question was put to the average person in the street many would agree with what the trans prisoner said.

Im sure a lot of people asked would initially say yes
A couple of follow up qustions and an opportunity to think rather than just react though and I would wager many would shift.

Male prisoners belong in men’s prisons. No exceptions.

And if you asked the average person in the street, many of them would approve of castrating all sex offenders - but not to give them access to the women’s estate.

Nobody's calling for the castration of sex offenders, or anyone else.

We're just saying that male-bodied convicted offenders belong in jails for men. A trans wing within a men's prison appears to be the best solution for transwomen.

But never put men in women's prisons.

I agree that the current TRA movement is detrimental to transexual people as well as women.. of course TRAs are flocking to dispute this

Of the person who attacked a young woman with a hammer gets a custodian sentence they will ge sent to a woman’s jail? This person who has advise police in the past. The police confirmed that they arrested 2 women. So the crime will be recorded as being committed by a woman.

Why are crime stats not then recorded by sex and gender. I would find that very very interesting. Would there be a pattern? I suspect maybe.

If... custodial... (typing on a bus without my glasses)

I agree that the current TRA movement is detrimental to transexual people as well as women.. of course TRAs are flocking to dispute this

There are many transsexuals who have and are playing key roles in the push towards gender self identification.
This 'movement' was started a long time ago.

See important thread for history and context:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3463920-Lets-go-back-to-2007

AngryAttackKitttens wrote of it:
"I'm going to point every "but the nice, harmless old school transsexuals whose movement has been unfairly appropriated by the nasty transgender people" person to this thread from now on.

All the same elements we're seeing now were there in that old BBC roundtable from the 70s with the 4 transwomen, the politician, and the doctor. None of this is new."

Yes - your point being what? I could be entirely wrong but I think if the question was put to the average person in the street many would agree with what the trans prisoner said.

My point being regardless of offence and while in prison. It was just the one sentence and reasonably clear to read, I thought.

If the question should convicted rapists and paedophiles be given reassignment surgery on the NHS while serving their sentences? was put to the average person in the street, I'll bet a pound to a penny very few would agree.

If the question should those convicted rapists and paedophiles then be transferred to a women's prison? was put to the average person in the street, I'll bet a pound to a penny very few would agree.

See?

There are many transsexuals who have and are playing key roles in the push towards gender self identification.

The actual binary is that there are males who are a risk to women and/or children and males who aren't. Males who are constitute a minority of every demographic of male, regardless of identification. That's the only binary that matters with regard to the protection of children and the safety, privacy and dignity of women.

Another one for the ever growing #ThisNeverHappens portfolio. Details about pics found on the phone are very upsetting, just as a little warning.

www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/local-news/transgender-ex-soldier-child-rape-2888899