LBC debate on S Times foster children article

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I have been suspecting Tom Swarbrick of GC views for a while, but he has been very low key about it unsurprising with a James O'Brien as a colleague

I have just listened (11pm, Sunday) to a brilliant exchange with Andrew Gilligan and Ben Butterworth about AG's article on the foster children in the Sunday Times today.

Andrew calmly and coherently dismantled several of Ben's outraged reactions, including the suicide quote.

Tom is just starting the phone in now and the first text he read out was about being clear about gender vs sex; and how children of 3 are children!

Currently a tw (70 years old) who says they "knew" they were a girl because they liked dressing up and doing laundry with their mum (yet then goes on to endorse watchful waiting for children till older)

Highly recommend listen again.

Added to which is the innate desire for every child to do things which make their "oracle of all knowledge" parents happy with them. And if mum is saying "this thing is right, do it this way", what child is going to spontaneously rise up against that?

Exactly.

Agree with small children thinking which sex you are depends on your hair thing. My son proudly told me "that's a girl" when passing a family group one day, followed by "if they have one of those in their hair it's a girl". It was a clip on her fringe.
Small children don't have an innate sense of gender, they just pick up the common dress patterns and stereotypes.
I wonder how the non binary movement fits in with TRAs innate gender nonsense. It seems odd that the non binary people don't align themselves more with the gender critical rather than the "born in the wrong body" brigade.

Agree with small children thinking which sex you are depends on your hair thing

Its to do with how children develop their ability to categorise & name.

Added to which is the innate desire for every child to do things which make their "oracle of all knowledge" parents happy with them. And if mum is saying "this thing is right, do it this way", what child is going to spontaneously rise up against that?

No doubt the impact of an abusive/controlling/conditional father on a young boy will have significance.

TRAs innate gender nonsense. It seems odd that the non binary people

I saw a clearly female, very feminine woman describe herself as "trans non-binary" yesterday.

No idea how to unpick that whole mess of contradictions, it's just complete bullshit.

It seems odd that the non binary people don't align themselves more with the gender critical rather than the "born in the wrong body" brigade.

The vocal "I'm non-binary!" crowd rely heavily on gender stereotypes in performing their identity. They need "the other". If gender were to be eliminated, there would be a world of mundane non-binary people. I suspect the current non-binary crowd would react badly to being in the same category as everyone else.

I suspect the current non-binary crowd would react badly to being in the same category as everyone else.

Imagine the crushing disappointment and embarrassment of realising you are exactly the same as millions of other people who don't feel the need to perform a song and dance about it.

I feel a modicum of (slightly patronising) pity for those woke young things for the day they realise they are absolutely no different to all the "cis women" they so smugly disdain, as they toss their blue-dyed locks and complain about an unfair world.

And I feel (genuinely) a bit sorry for them for the time when they actually see the reality of things - when they personally lose out/are beaten/get pushed aside; and they unplug from their safe Matrix world. Not only will they be discarded as useless to the TRA cause, they'll get all the same abuse from their former benefactors on the way down too.

Not strictly related but looking to listen to this program, is no one annoyed that lbc have 16 male presenters and only 1 woman?

I saw a clearly female, very feminine woman describe herself as "trans non-binary" yesterday.

No idea how to unpick that whole mess of contradictions, it's just complete bullshit.

I read a a super-helpful article in TeenVogue which may be of interest:
'9 Things People Get Wrong About Being Non-Binary
There's no such thing as "looking non-binary."

concludes:
Learning All These Things Isn’t Excessive Political Correctness — It’s Part of Being a Nice Person
Why is it worth our time to unlearn these assumptions, educate ourselves about non-binary identity, and try to understand how the people in our own lives identify? Because it makes us more supportive friends, partners, family members, and human beings.

“For people who don't identify as something outside of their assigned at birth gender, it can be difficult to understand the experience non-binary and trans people as a whole go through,” says Yven. “But learning to accept that people have completely different lives and experiences is part of being human. Supporting that someone is trying to be more comfortable in themselves is something that society should strive for and encourage.”
www.teenvogue.com/story/9-things-people-get-wrong-about-being-non-binary