AIBU to think the US deserves the Govt it's got?

[YemenRoadYemen]

I know there are other threads about this.

But am I being unreasonable to think that America deserves the president it has because so many people - of which a ridiculous amount were women - voted for this cretin? I know he didn't get the popular vote, but he did get the job.

He put Kavanagh in there, and now if Roe vs Wade goes to the Supreme Court, the GOP plants will overturn it.

I'm so angry about this, but I feel as if America has brought this on themselves, and if that man wins in 2020, which let's face it, he almost certainly will, they've got no-one to blame but themselves.

Argue back. Please. Tell me I'm unreasonable, and why. This is all so depressing.

I don't think he will win in 2020

I didn't think he would win in 2016.

I mean, I can't argue intelligently on this but my gut response is that the actual real life people don't deserve it, anymore that we deserve the disaster that is brexit.
Yes technically more people voted for it than not but regardless of the initial vote, most of the population now feel powerless, unheard and terrified for the future.
The only positive of the US situation is that presumably Trump will eventually not be in charge, whereas brexit is forever.

Yanbu that it's depressing though. Between brexit, trump and climate change I often wonder what will finish us off first.

Women of colour didn't vote for him in the main and they will be adversely affected by his policies.

Government after government in the US and UK have tried to destroy education, learning, media... it's not people's fault that they now struggle to see the way economics and politics work.

And technically more people voted for Clinton. But she lost because of their system.

I am an American. I didn't vote for him, and I am just as appalled as you are. But we are fighting back. We've got the house of representatives back from the GOP. By 2020 he will be rotting in jail with all his cronies. Mueller got John Gotti (head of the Gambino crime family), Trump's days are numbered. We're not sitting back, we are fighting!

I know, and I've acknowledged that, Terry.

agree that real life people (who didn't vote for him) don't deserve it - at all - but I'm just so angry that there aren't enough of them, and that most American voters thought he was the best option.

I'm that angry, that I do think they (the country) deserves him.

And I still think he has enough support to get a second term. I hope to God I'm wrong, but I bet I'm not.

lick 🤞🤞

The noose is tightening, the consequences of the Meuller report are still unfolding, soon we will be seeing tax returns, and there is still the sdny to go....

Most American voters didn't think he was best. Lots didn't vote, because people have forgotten why it's important. And of those who did vote, most voted for Clinton. Add in those (mainly Democrat) voters illegally denied a vote and there's a massive amount who didn't vote for him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016UniteddStatespresidentiallelection

Trump has a certain amount of charisma and cunning but he is also just not very bright, he can't tolerate anyone who can think above him so he will end up surrounding himself with people who are even stupider than he is
This weakens him

It's not like America is in isolation though - trump's decisions affect the whole world so the question should be 'does the world deserve trump?' and I think the answer is no.

America is the second biggest contributor to carbon levels (after China I believe) but trump isn't going to do anything because he's a climate change denier. Climate change is going to affect us all.

Can you tell I can't stand trump?!

Mueller got John Gotti (head of the Gambino crime family), Trump's days are numbered
That's very optimistic seeing as his report on Trump was such a limp wristed write off
when Trump was there for the taking. Mueller so far has shown no backbone wrt Trump / the Russians.

Erm, some of the people who voted for him were actively nasty but a lot were carried along with the nostalgia and simplicity of the message. A bit like brexit really.

A bit harsh to phrase it "The US deserves it" mind.
No 11 year old rape victim should be forced to give birth (as recent case in Ohio). She definitely didn't deserve it.

I don't know that you can blame people directly for Trump. Their citizens vote with enormous cynicism, because that is really the only way they can vote.

Hilary Clinton was absolutely the wrong candidate, and ran a terrible campaign. You could argue that trying to push that global capitalism bullshit, and identity politics, on the voters, the backroom people and funders of the Democrats elected Trump.

Americans really have some wonky thinking on some things - I am consistently shocked by the number that really believe that it is ok to fire people without cause, but they are probably some of the least empowered voters in any western country.

YABU the US is an oligarchy and their governments have not been reflecting Popular will for a very long time. Heck, people voted for Obama to get change and he delivered more neoliberal status quo. Trump is just a symptom.

The report was not a limp wristed write off
Barr's summary of the report was a limp wristed write off
we have not seen the full unredacted report
Barr has submitted to trump and made himself trump's lackey
Meuller is not trump's lackey

YABU the US is an oligarchy
It's a plutocracy.

Most people didn’t vote for him, he lost the popular vote ie more people voted for HC. The electoral college system, designed to make sure that elections aren’t decided by only the most populated states, determined the outcome. The states she won had more people in them but he won more states. It’s a fucked up system but, in a democracy, you win some you lose some, it’s too simplistic to blame the voters when their choices are limited by what the system dictates.

Look at the amount of money spent on elections in america. Think about the decades that politicians and those working in politics have been actively skewing voting boundaries and rules to enable them to control vote outcomes. Thousands of people make a living from manipulating voters and being able to do it successfully and social media has given them ever greater tools to be able to do so.

The whole industry of electioneering is designed to take away the ability of individuals to hold power to account.

I do not give a toss what the yanks do or don't deserve. It's the world that concerns me, and the increasingly malign influence over it of the USA, its bullying military, its cesspit social media companies and unsustainable consumption of the Earth's finite resources.

Is it a plutocracy or a corporatocracy
(Or just a big ole clusterfuck)

DpWm, letter leaked a day before Barr's summary of Mueller's report stated that it was completely misrepresented. Mueller will testify next week and set the record straight.

You could argue that trying to push that global capitalism bullshit, and identity politics, on the voters, the backroom people and funders of the Democrats elected Trump.

I think this is a large part of it too - the people who implemented NAFTA have said they never expected impacts to happen so quickly and that with hindsight they’d have put safeguards in place to protect industries. Globalisation has macro benefits for economies but the harms land heavily on individuals - Republicans were good at tapping into that fear.