Judge over rules social services concerns

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that parents are filling child's head with gender nonsense because it's "complex" and "cutting edge"?!?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7015633/Judge-backs-parents-sent-transgender-son-4-school-girls-uniform.html

Sounds like a weird case this. Social services dropped it but the family insisted on a public hearing...

I knew Pasterski was a familar name -

Pencils That case...

see also: www.thelondontransgenderclinic.uk/our-transgender-surgery-practice-london/dr-vickie-pasterski/

Dr Pasterski, who denies desistence rates and discounts psychological comorbidites with regards to childhood gender dysphoria, persuaded the judge and SS backed down.

It seems there is a substantial knowledge gap about significant early childhood trauma/abuse amongst gender 'specialists'

That Social Workers/FosterCarers are also being provided guidance written by TRAs is very concerning:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3324578-Vunerabilities-of-Looked-After-Children-Social-Work-CP-restricted-by-affirmation-requirement-Trans-Youth-in-Care-Toolkit

The couple in this case are not H's parents they have special guardianship orders for H, a (twin?) brother C and another unrelated child K. All three are subjects of these proceedings as well as two of the couple's own children, E and R. R is also trans and is engaged with Tavistock and Mermaids. Three other foster children are mentioned.

Original causes for concern were:

i) Persistent pursuit of a focus upon seeking out mental health diagnosis for children in their care.

ii) Preoccupation with an encouragement of gender dysphoria in 3 children.

iii) Family behaviour relating to food and eating disorders in 3 of CP and TP's biological children.

iv) General concerns about the emotional and physical well-being of the children in their care.

v) Requests for more children to be placed in their care.

vi) Financial difficulties of the family.

Pasterski's twitter feed is very short yet very revealing.

twitter.com/DrPasterski?lang=en

I find this all very concerning but I am afraid to comment at all because whatever I say whether on one side or the other or trying to be neutral or asking scientific questions or anything, someone will call me a bigot and try to put me in prison.

Pencils; that's horrifying. The judge can't possibly be that stupid, he must know that these "parents" are dangerously abusive people. The social workers must be so confused. If they can't remove children from a home like that...

Am I reading that right? Three trans kids in the same family though unrelated (presumably kids who have gone through care and trauma of being separated from birth parents)?

The odds of that statistically occurring spontaneously are? And having no connection with social setting and social contagion in some way?

Can anyone give me a science based answer to that?

Just what the fuck is anyone thinking who says that's not really fucking concerning? And social services are wrong to raise questions????!!!!

How in any sane world is an eight month old baby placed with a family who nearly lost a child to a drowning accident six months previously?

It's a complex judgement and isn't just about the trans issues with the children. There were other concerns about repeated accidents to one child and concerns and query fabricated illness.

But the LA withdrew their case - the judge only heard it because the parents felt that there were concerns about them and wanted to be 'exonerated'. Although an independent social worker expressed concerns about the children transitioning at such an early age and whether either child would be able to revert if they changed their mind the rest of the issues were deemed not to trigger the threshold for action? To me it's an example of how difficult cases of alleged emotional abuse are - so much of this is subjective opinion - just as we have very strong feelings about the ethics of adults transitioning little children so it seems obvious to us that it's wrong. For the Judge, the local authority had withdrawn the case and independent experts deemed the children settled and happy. Why would he disrupt the lives of these children if the professionals said that all was well? Very tricky.

The LA withdrew following the 3 expert reports, including that of Dr Pasterski & the independent SW.

apologies, 3 expert reports & that of independent SW.

I am so angry with these fucked up therapists who prey on vulnerable people and children. They have a rescuing complex and no rational intelligence. They are utterly compromised. Its so POMO, dissociated, depersonalisationed/derealisationed, nihilistic, "feelings are reality".

It is very possible to support very dypshoric/ dissociative people through their symptoms and trauma without reifying symptoms or delusions. Not easy at all, but very possible.

We should be compassionately giving them the sanity and safety they have lost, not making the world a more scary, more uncertain and more meaningless place by saying that their delusion has any basis or value other than as coping strategy for things that they cannot mentally or emotionally comprehend (eg by a child who is being abused/ neglected/ shamed/suffering from disordered parenting).

Bloody hell. That court report.

Social workers are massively over stretched, there's no way in God's earth they'd have brought that case without significant concerns.

I'm absolutely shocked with the judge.

At the start of proceedings the parties -parents, LA and guardian - agree on expert witnesses. The options in gender dysphoria are limited, partly because there aren't the numbers of specialists, also the effect on their career. It sounds like a horrendous mess.
People who exaggerate medical conditions tend to have very powerful personalites (disorders!) and put an enormous amount of energy into getting what they want.

At the start of proceedings the parties -parents, LA and guardian - agree on expert witnesses. The options in gender dysphoria are limited, partly because there aren't the numbers of specialists, also the effect on their career. It sounds like a horrendous mess. People who exaggerate medical conditions tend to have very powerful personalites (disorders!) and put an enormous amount of energy into getting what they want.

Yes. One wonders why the original judge was so happy to accept such an evangelist in Dr Pasterski, a professional who has publicly supported Helen Webberley.

The LA could have opposed their appointment, but who could they put forward? Interesting case and will hopefully sharpen up practice in this area.

Interesting case and will hopefully sharpen up practice in this area.

I'm not sure how ignoring the long-established principle that childhood trauma often leads to identity formation issues in favour of queer-infused, material reality-ignoring, gender evangelism could be viewed as a sharpening up of practice.

The recent Irish and Scottish cases and this one should be ringing every alarm bell we have.

Everything I have read hasn't shown me tgat the parents are pushing this on their daughter but rather supporting their daughter instead.

What have you read Evee?

Sorry Eevee

That judgement makes horrifying reading

From the age of about 3 or 4 to 10/11 I was desperate to be a boy, my brother seemed to have much more fun than my sister, I had football boots and a football, played with the boys, wrestled with my brother.
My parents just let me get on with it, then at 10 or 11. I obviously knew I was a girl, but decided that I wasn't as happy doing all the 'boy' stuff, so wanted to be more of a girl, I assume it was the puberty hormones starting. Many many years later I am a woman with a DH and 2 DCs.
I dread to think what might happen to a child like me these days if my parents had been taken in by someone telling them I had obviously been born in the wrong body. Scares the hell out of me!

From the very first page of the judgement: TP and CP frequently seek referrals/diagnosis for the children in their care for medical conditions relying on symptoms which are not witnessed by other professionals involved in their care. This results in unnecessary investigations by medical professionals and has resulted in them being recorded as having health conditions which are not evidence based.
TP and CP persistently pursue mental health diagnoses for children in their care. They provide information to professionals which is not supported by other professionals involved with the children's care and use their knowledge of mental health services to provide information designed to maximise the chances of a referral to specialists.
www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/format.cgi?doc=/ew/cases/EWFC/HCJ/2019/30.html

That screams Munchausen by proxy! Why could the judge not see that?