Rape Crisis Centre 'likes' tweet calling women hateful bigots

[ScottishWomen]

A Rape Crisis Centre has 'liked' a tweet calling a panel of professional & academic women, including Julie Bindel and Rosa Freedman, 'misogynistic transphobes' 'hateful' & 'bigots'.

They are part of a panel discussing Women's Sex-Based Rights, UN CEDAW and how to protect them, at an event in Edinburgh University next month.

This comes after senior politicians have stated that women should be able to meet and discuss topics without being abused.

twitter.com/scottish_women/status/1125820494480064513?s=21

Oldcrone TRAs need stereotypes otherwise gender really is just a load of rubbish. So trying to get rid of stereotypes is dangerous for them, if any males wear nail varnish, pink scarves and heels then they are no longer special.

Forth Valley is also where one of the first (or the first) guidance for schools came from on supporting children who identify as trans. Full of the usual nonsense, but the worst was this little gem on teaching children with special needs about gender identity. And I quote:

Please note: by age 2 or 3, a child starts to develop a sense of being a male or female. Some children with a learning disability/additional support needs, however, may not develop gender awareness at the same age and stage as their peers. It is important that children with ASN are actively taught gender identity so that they understand the gender assigned to them at birth.

Conversely, this often requires blatant ‘boy/girl’ activities. However, once a child understands the gender assigned to them at birth, teaching and practice can diversify to include non-stereotypical approaches and allow the child to explore their True Gender identity.

Someone who worked there said in practice that meant taking valuable time away from teaching children, who are often profoundly delayed in their development, how to feed themselves, dress, interact with other to help them function as best and independently as they possibly can. And all to teach them an unnecessary, unscientific, religious concept centered on a dis-embodied consciousness inhabiting the wrong body. It has zero practical value to these children, but as you can see above from the wonderfully obscure way they worded this that it involves forcing them to play with toys or engage in activities stereotypically associated with their sex.

And the whole damn guidance starts with the preposterous untruth that we cannot influence a child's gender identity. Execrable bollocks. You can download the PDF here.

To me as an autistic woman this is incredibly toxic discourse.
It's weird self advocating as an autistic person and having to avoid lots of groups supporting autistic people because of casual anecdotes from parents who enforce gender norms on children like shaving girls' legs.

To an extent aren’t youth movements always co-opted by older people for their own ends? I’m thinking of the 60s free love movement

Yes, they probably are - the 60s free love movement would have been particularly attractive to older men.

And this what can happen in groups run for transgender young people:

There was an upper age limit (somewhere between 21-25) but it was a pretty small group, usually fewer than 10 people; so when people aged out they just stuck around. I guess others learned that the age limit wasn’t being enforced because more and more older (30-40 year old) MTFs started to join.

I remember one day, there were three MTFs over 40 who were hitting on the teen FTMs, very explicitly.

It was very common for the group to discuss the logistics of sex before and after SRS, kinky sex, and erotic fanfiction... I know of at least three FTMs who entered into relationships with older MTFs while in this group, all of which seemed very unhealthy to me. To me, FTMs under 18 dating or sleeping with (usually kinky) MTFs over 20 seemed very sexually exploitative. Healthy boundaries between adults and minors were foreign to this group, much like in the greater queer and trans community.

4thwavenow.com/2019/01/26/my-trans-youth-group-experience-with-morgan-page/

Please note: by age 2 or 3, a child starts to develop a sense of being a male or female. Some children with a learning disability/additional support needs, however, may not develop gender awareness at the same age and stage as their peers. It is important that children with ASN are actively taught gender identity so that they understand the gender assigned to them at birth.

I remember this being discussed on here. Did this absurd statement get challenged, or is it still out there for the purposes of indoctrinating children with gender ideology?

It's about who's running the social media accounts as much as anything else. Organisations tend to get v young 'woke' interns in to do this as they're seen as being more tech-savvy

I came on to say this.
Twitter accounts of orgs are usually run by University interns or ppl of that Calibre.

Someone told me that this rape crisis centre is actually run by a transwoman.

This appears to be the manager: www.studentnewspaper.org/an-insight-with-mridul-wadhwa-into-working-in-a-rape-crisis-centre/

And Mridul asked to be invited to Joan McAlpine's meeting in Parliament with Meghan Murphy - only I think Mridul rather expected to meeting royalty!
twitter.com/mridul_wadhwa/status/1124053713226739714

Dont forget both Women's Aid Scotland and Rape Crisis Scotland have publicly supported trans women accessing women's services, as has Women's Aid Wales.

It is only Women's Aid Federation England, and Rape Crisis England and Wales who haven't formally done this, through the device of saying that member organisations decide for themselves. And many are trans inclusive. The recent round of funding for VAW services showing that very few had women only services.

It is important that children with ASN are actively taught gender identity so that they understand the gender assigned to them at birth. Conversely, this often requires blatant ‘boy/girl’ activities. However, once a child understands the gender assigned to them at birth, teaching and practice can diversify to include non-stereotypical approaches and allow the child to explore their True Gender identity.

Charlie - WHAT? Fucking hell. This is the worst thing I've ever read... well okay once I've calmed down it's probably only the worst thing I've read this week. Where is it from? Do you have a link?

So you teach special needs kids pink and blue gender stereotypes specifically so they can decide if they want to reject them or not.
And I suppose if they want to reject them then you pump them full of meds and sterilise them.

And if they don't want to reject them, well, that's ace, you've done a fantastic job deliberately socialising potentially oddball kids with restrictive gender stereotypes, under the guise of dismantling them.

allmywhat if you scroll up to my previous comment, the very last word is the link to the document in question.

I've just found the thread where the document Charlie quoted from was discussed before.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3101245-NHS-Transgender-guidance-for-schools

The thread is from 2017. Does anyone know if this 'guidance' is still being used?

I first heard about it at the WPUK meeting in Edinburgh in February 2018, where one of the speakers, who works in ASN, mentioned that this was the guidance they had to follow, ie it was being used as of 15 months ago.

"I am a mother" = not something said by transwomen who respect womanhood.

Did this absurd statement get challenged, or is it still out there for the purposes of indoctrinating children with gender ideology?
The whole document was the most dreadful 'guide'I have ever seen. It used huge chunks of that other utter abomination -the schools guide from LGBTscotland. I wrote a lengthy letter to
FV health authority with the help of comments from women on here. The only point they conceeded was that sex and gender were conflated in the document and they thanked me for pointing it out. The rest of their reply was the usual woke bullshit and total blanking of the questions I raised. Makes my blood boil still, remembering it.

Small correction: this particular guidance predates the LGBT Youth guidance for schools by about a year. (See last page of PDF).

Oh yes thanks Charley Having looked at my original letter I think it was the scot gov guidance I meant to say. All equally awful.

Mridul asked to be invited to Joan McAlpine's meeting in Parliament with Meghan Murph

We could perhaps compile a list of Qs that could be put to Mridul, especially as they're keen to attend this meeting. I fully expect they'll also be at the Engender/STA/women's aid/rape crisis etc. Msp meeting on the 4th June. A comprehensive list of Qs for the MSPs attending would be most instructive I think.

Rape Crisis centres were created by women, for women, and often those women who worked so hard to create those resources were time-poor, money-poor, energy-poor, but they did it anyway.

And now men are stealing those resources, and women are so desperate to be complicit in enabling men to perform that theft.

Makes me weep.

Yes, indeed, ArcheryAnnie.

And the irony of transwoman Mridul Wadhwa saying:

@JoanMcAlpine how do I get to attend the Meghan Markle event at parliament? As a feminist, trans woman of the SNP who has worked in the VAW sector for 14 years, it would be helpful for me to hear a different perspective.

Are they being ironic? Or is this person actually unable to distinguish between Meghan Markle and Meghan Murphy?

FFS!

It's completely inappropriate that this person is using being head of a rape crisis centre in Scotland to push for trans rights to the detriment of women's.

Wadhwa also retweeted a thread about the event which contained this:

I only hope that if anyone who is undecided in this discussion goes to that event they will learn that Meghan Murphy is not someone they want to be associating themselves with. It might even show them that her arguments are not being made in remotely good faith.

The tweeter goes on to say how terrible it is that people can't pretend to be the opposite sex on their birth certificate more easily..

So basically I see this as bringing this piece of legislation up to date with other legislation and practice and ensuring people’s human right to privacy is respected. Given what we know about the discrimination & harassment trans people face, this is especially important.

But not women's privacy and dignity to be in a female space without men when vulnerable it seems. We can go fuck ourselves. Even though we know about the discrimination and harassment women face, it isn't important.

Whole thread:

Caitlin Logan (@_CaitLogan) Tweeted:
twitter.com/_CaitLogan/status/1124273045043077122?s=17

It's so weird. They know they're not wanted in women's spaces, they're told so over and over again, and the response is to force us to lie, pretend we don't notice. Nothing says 'male' like not taking No for an answer.

Bloody hell. This is what Wadhwa - a TW running a rape crisis centre - has to say in the interview linked by howonearth above :
The Student asked Wadhwa if she believes a man could be a successful rape crisis centre manager. She does not: “I don’t think men are ready to go out and set up services of this nature. Women’s aid organisations and rape crisis centres have been set up with the blood, sweat, and tears of women. It’s about the women’s experience of sexual violence. Our workforce is reserved for women only.”
No words Some of the rest of the interview is also pretty horrendous when you consider who it's coming from.

I believe this person deliberately wanted to stress that. Element of duping delight I think.