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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Another women's sport thread.

40 replies

Saltovinegar · 01/05/2019 07:06

Our local radio has just had a piece about the Caster Semenya ruling today. There were various implications stated as to the which way the result went but the last sentence was that it would determine if women's sport was even relevant any more!!!!!

My blood is nearly boiling through the roof especially since Charlie has just made the same statement on BBC breakfast. Ahhhhh

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grafittiartist · 01/05/2019 07:20

When I watched that news earlier, it was Louise reading the bit about whether women's sports categories were even relevant, and it felt better coming from her.
How anyone can hear that statement and not think it's crazy I don't know.

Saltovinegar · 01/05/2019 07:24

It's the erosion of women's sport hiding in pain sight.

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grafittiartist · 01/05/2019 07:34

Exactly. was almost glad that they announced it in such a causal way- hopefully it will make people realise what is happening. All the implications of this.
Hope so anyway. There's loads of people that don't get it.

FuckingHadEnough · 01/05/2019 08:02

I heard this this morning and my blood is boiling.

grafittiartist · 01/05/2019 08:03

Your name is apt!

littlbrowndog · 01/05/2019 08:39

How can bbc say is women’s sport even relevant anymore ?

Why aren’t men being tested for testosterone

What is this attack on women’s sport

Why should just women get tested for testosterone and then if it’s too high have to take drugs to lower it

Why don’t they do the same for men

Melioration · 01/05/2019 08:47

The today programme r4 covered this at 8.30.

They talked about DSDs in an intelligent manner and said that it was not transgender but that the ruling might have implications that could lead to an open category rather than women.

I don’t see why a diagnosable rare condition cannot be accommodated without turning women into non-men.

littlbrowndog · 01/05/2019 08:48

Or women into a weaker version of men

littlbrowndog · 01/05/2019 08:51

So what they are saying is no point in having women’s sports just an open for all

I can’t see how that will work at all

So there will be men’s 400 metres. And then just anybody’s 400 metres

andyoldlabour · 01/05/2019 08:51

Anyone surprised at a BBC newsreader, particularly a woman, saying/repeating this, should simply look at the percentage of transgender people working at the BBC.
Do not be surprised, this is an agenda.

littlbrowndog · 01/05/2019 08:51

Men’s marathon. And just anybody’s marathon

Melioration · 01/05/2019 08:52

Or anyone who wants to ‘win’ but isn’t good enough for the man category.

GirlDownUnder · 01/05/2019 08:53

women’s sport even relevant anymore

If there's no woman's sport, where are the transwomen going to play Hmm

Also RK is all over this and apparently has shows lining up to talk to them.

mobile.twitter.com/rachelvmckinnon/status/1123422817146613764


Dr. Rachel McKinnon @rachelvmckinnon
Replying to @KirstiMiller30
Shows are already lining up interviews with me for tomorrow. I have to wake up, read the decision (if they release it on time), process it, then go on tv.

TowelNumber42 · 01/05/2019 08:56

The BBC and the Guardian have had a big push recently on promoting women's sport. The left hand and the right hand don't know what each other are doing.

Ereshkigal · 01/05/2019 08:56

Also RK is all over this and apparently has shows lining up to talk to them.

Natch.

littlbrowndog · 01/05/2019 08:58

If there is no women’s sport where will I play my sport.

Where will girls train for if there is no women’s sport

It’s like just erasing women isn’t it ?

Have I just become an anybody.

Imagine athletics meetings

The men’s 100 metres. And then the commentator announces the anybody 100 metres

GirlDownUnder · 01/05/2019 08:58

BBC and the Guardian have had a big push recently on promoting women's sport

How do they define woman??!

TowelNumber42 · 01/05/2019 08:58

"Women XX" will have to become a Paralympic category.

GirlDownUnder · 01/05/2019 09:00

Have I just become an anybody.

Sadly littl I think you'd become a no-body because of your genetics you'd probably not place high enough.

allmywhat · 01/05/2019 09:00

holy shit they really said that?

This is getting so scary. I thought people generally understand why women's sport exists. It was also obvious that the endpoint of transactivism would destroy women's sport. BUT I THOUGHT THEY WEREN'T SAYING IT OUT LOUD YET.

Are they thinking they can get the public to support this? I hope they're wrong.

And if they can get public support for that, what other women's rights are they going to feel emboldened to openly destroy?

littlbrowndog · 01/05/2019 09:00

Athletics auidiences dropping cos people think that drugging is prevelant

Now this would make it into a joke

littlbrowndog · 01/05/2019 09:02

Yeah Louise on bbc just said is women’s sport even relevant

GirlDownUnder · 01/05/2019 09:04

I've already (last few days) read comments on twitter saying that men are only speaking up now because they are transphobes who hate transwomen and they were never interested enough in women's sports before.

So already they are lining up their 'defence' against any man who does speak up.

littlbrowndog · 01/05/2019 09:08

We are all transphobe s now girl. Just for existing

I see loads of girls going off to plat football. It’s girls football not anybodies football

Jeez am so fucking pissed by this and the way the bbc reported this

TowelNumber42 · 01/05/2019 09:11

GirlDownUnder they seem to be promoting natal women's sport without a trans agenda, as in a pro-women agenda.

I was encouraged by this on the BBC sports website on Semenya This is not a case about transgender. But one of the questions it raises is that transgender athletes - who have transitioned from one gender to another - might ask why they are obliged to alter their hormone levels when DSD athletes are free to compete without doing so.

I'm encouraged because it will stop the red herring of current testosterone levels and get conversation back onto female skeleton shape, bone density, male puberty etc. Basically that men and women have fundamentally different bodies in ways that cannot be altered by surgical or pharmaceutical procedures.

No individual athlete has been targeted in the creation of the regulations.

We need to create competition categories within our sport that ensures that success is determined by talent, dedication and hard work, rather than by other factors that are not considered fair or meaningful, such as the enormous physical advantages that an adult has over a child, or a male athlete has over a female athlete.

Balanced article for the BBC I think, which perhaps shows a fault line between the woke fantasists and realists who work with actual sports people.

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/48114137