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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Vindication for Janice Turner; IPSO complaint result

76 replies

MrsSnippyPants · 25/04/2019 14:17

As per title
www.ipso.co.uk/rulings-and-resolution-statements/ruling/?id=07454-18

OP posts:
RedDogsBeg · 25/04/2019 16:36

Thanks for posting that submission to the Home Affairs Committee R0wantrees interesting and extremely frustrating reading but it does show what their ultimate goal is.

Genderfreelass · 25/04/2019 16:38

Great news! The Times really have been amazing with their reporting of trans issues so it is good to see them vindicated. Well done Janice Turner 😊

BitOfFun · 25/04/2019 16:47

I'd be even happier if HB had been called out on the bare-faced lie about teenage Trans suicides.

OrchidInTheSun · 25/04/2019 17:02

Hahaha in you face you lying toad Belcher

CharlieParley · 25/04/2019 17:21

The male entitlement on display in Belcher's behaviour here is staggering.

So Belcher publishes a statement explaining that recent media coverage on trans issues is directly responsible for a number of suicides, especially teen suicides. And is withdrawing from a journalism award because Janice Turner, one of the journalists nominated, is one of the journalists involved in writing that recent media coverage.

In the absence of any disclaimer stating that Belcher does not actually hold Turner responsible for those teen and adult suicides, any reasonable person would understand these two statements taken together to be a clear accusation from Belcher that Turner's work is a contributing factor to those suicides.

Turner then writes an article quoting Belcher's exact words and refuting them in the strongest possible way (bearing in mind that Belcher resigned with maximum publicity and these accusations would be extremely damaging to anyone operating in the public sphere).

Instead of an apology, Belcher then complains to the media regulator that they've been unjustly singled out and maligned.

How entitled do you have to be to fling mud at someone and then complain when that someone cleans off the mud and you get spattered in the process?

LangCleg · 25/04/2019 17:34

Have any of these complaints/threats ever been upheld?

Vile intimidatory tactics. I'm sick of them.

AnyOldPrion · 25/04/2019 17:36

”The complainant said that the newspaper had breached Clause 12 (Discrimination) as she believed it had chosen to single her out and report her comments because she was transgender.”

Anyone else especially eye-roly at this section.

No Belcher, your comments were reported because they were outrageous. Your trans-teflon in no longer as slippery as it once was, is it?

Puuuuuuuuuuuull!

BorisBadunov · 25/04/2019 17:37

💐 Janice, if you are reading this - I read you all the time. You are one of the very few columnists tackling this very sensitive issue with actual thought, arguments and insight. Thank you.

Popchyk · 25/04/2019 17:38

And after IPSO's report was concluded in favour of Janice Turner, Belcher than went to the Independent Complaints Reviewer to complain about IPSO.

The Independent Complaints Reviewer rejected this appeal.

HandsOffMyRights · 25/04/2019 18:04

Thank you Janice and The Times!

There is always a need for investigative journalism. It serves a purpose to uncover all manner of crimes and agendas.

Investigative journalists helped to shine a light on PIE, Savile, on Kids Company.

Because of writers like Janice, Andrew, James and Sanchez we are unearthing all sorts of disturbing information and activities.

There are always those who strive to close down such important investigations, who go to great lengths to silence us . You have to ask "why?"

OrchidInTheSun · 25/04/2019 18:07

Belcher is clearly someone who is used to telling people to jump and they ask how high.

Throwing the toys out of the pram hasn't worked this time

HandsOffMyRights · 25/04/2019 18:14

Yes, I find that Belcher, Cook and Pascoe seem to have the same manner, talking differently to men than women.

Hmm
Popchyk · 25/04/2019 18:24

Very poor judgement at all stages from a prospective Member of Parliament.

And interesting to note that someone in that position has so much free time to devote to pursuing journalists for writing about current affairs.

You'd have to wonder how much time they have left for working to improve the lives of local people in Chippenham.

I'm sure that people in Chippenham will form their own conclusions.

Datun · 25/04/2019 18:27

How entitled do you have to be to fling mud at someone and then complain when that someone cleans off the mud and you get spattered in the process?

It's a mark of the confidence of these people that they think they can accuse with impunity, or blatantly smear a woman, jeopardising her livelihood. And believe, wholeheartedly, that they can wriggle out of it. Using tactics, to be fair, which have been fairly effective - up until now.

But, the jig is up. The deliberate silencing of dissent, particularly by women, is being recognised everywhere.

It's long been recognised that their arsenal is empty. And the scraping the barrel in terms of flouncing from panels and using suicide statistics is now useless.

Well done, Janice. And 💐💐💐 for what must have been a very difficult period.

RedDogsBeg · 25/04/2019 18:33

Helen Belcher is standing as a prospective parliamentary candidate? Let me guess for the Liberal Democrats perchance? No doubt Layla Moran has looked into their soul.

Binglebong · 25/04/2019 18:36

《Punches air》

Now how do we get the word out to all media that the subject is NOT untouchable?

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 25/04/2019 18:41

this is great news. It shouldn't be OK to have a tantrum then try to punish people who point out that you're having a tantrum. I'm glad IPSO agree.

Flowers for Janice, you wonderful woman

Popchyk · 25/04/2019 18:50

Yes, Belcher was a Tory for many years but jumped ship in 2015.

Was never elected to any position in the Tory Party.

But was selected to stand as Lib Dem candidate for Parliament in 2016 after only a year in the party. Such talent. Recognised at last.

Lost to the Tory candidate with a decreased share of the vote (-3.8%) in the 2017 General Election.

Was selected again in 2018 as prospective Lib Dem candidate.

R0wantrees · 25/04/2019 18:53

Helen Belcher is standing as a prospective parliamentary candidate? Let me guess for the Liberal Democrats perchance? No doubt Layla Moran has looked into their soul.

Both Layla Moran & Brian Paddick of the LibDems have acknowledged their friend & colleague Helen Belcher's influence on helping them to better understand issues.

Sexnotgender · 25/04/2019 18:57

Just googled ‘Helen’ Belcher. It all suddenly becomes clear. Arsehole.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 25/04/2019 18:59

Just looked them up on twitter. Now it makes sense...

RedDogsBeg · 25/04/2019 19:06

Both Layla Moran & Brian Paddick of the LibDems have acknowledged their friend & colleague Helen Belcher's influence on helping them to better understand issues.

Of course.

BuzzPeakWankBobbly · 25/04/2019 19:18

Sexnotgender Just googled ‘Helen’ Belcher. It all suddenly becomes clear. Arsehole.

I didn't know if HB had twitter so looked at the first account in that name from google.

One glance at the profile pic and I knew I was on the right page.

SlipperyLizard · 25/04/2019 19:54

Well done Janice, first time I had read that particular column but I’m so glad IPSO has dismissed the complaint.

Ereshkigal · 25/04/2019 19:54

"The complainant complained to the Independent Complaints Reviewer about the process followed by IPSO in handling this complaint.

I bet.