Joe Biden

[cadburymilkchoc]

I saw another thread recently about creepy Biden. With his hair sniffing and touching young girls and telling them no dating until 30 🤮 now I've just seen he has confirmed he is running for president in 2020! God forbid if he gets into the white house. What to others think of this?

Joe Biden confirms run for US president in 2020

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Don't think the above link works

I’m equivocal about fanning flames on this. I’ll freely admit to not having read very widely on the allegations about Biden, but I’m also wary of social media pot-stirring about Biden as he’s been quite effective in drawing attention to Trump’s very unpresidential conduct. I’m never 100% sure whether some of the pot-stirrers aren’t based in a paid-up trollfarm in Kiev, such is the state of politics and sentiment manipulation these days. The numerous serious sexual offence allegations against Trump seem to get posted with far lower frequency, if at all. I wonder why that is?

Does Germaine Bunbury have cousins overseas?

Out of the last few presidents and possibly the next, is it just Obama who doesn't have a predilection for less than consensual interactions with women? It's like a sickness.

Maybe George W Bush as well. His dad though

As I said on the other thread, I think he's shown disregard for women's humanity in a number of ways, and extremely poor judgment on a number of issues. The good news is that the Democratic field is crowded with appealing candidates; no need to settle for Biden.

This reminds me I need to update my candidates & sex-based rights thread, though...will try to do it soon.

Could do without Joe being the possible challenger to Trump.

Trump's tweet response was (unintentionally) hilarious though; talking about dealing with people with "very sick and demented ideas". Who does that immediately bring to mind?

Quite, boatyard.

A sitting president for whom there exists audio of him bragging about sexual assault; it surely must be "Anyone But Trump" next time round.

Biden may be problematic, but far less so than the incumbent. I'd really like to see some adults back in charge.

Biden may be problematic, but far less so than the incumbent.

God, have we really got to the point in American politics when we have to choose the candidate who is least accused of sexually harassing, rather than not at all? How depressing. And Bill Clinton and George Bush. Seriously. It's actually repulsive.

So much for 'mere accusations ruin men's lives'. Like bollocks they do.

God, have we really got to the point in American politics when we have to choose the candidate who is least accused of sexually harassing, rather than not at all?

I don't think so. For a start, I've never heard a whisper of sexual harassment claims against Warren, Harris, Klobuchar or Gillibrand, and don't expect to. Hmmmm why might that be?

(Of course NAMALT and I haven't heard any rumors of impropriety around Booker, Castro, Buttigieg, O'Rourke, etc either. All the more reason to pick one of the MANY candidates not named Biden!)

The accusations don't seem to have fucked up Brett Kavanaugh's life/career too much

I am still on the fence when it comes to judging Biden‘s behaviour - predatory or just overly affectionate? Either way I have always loathed this ‚in my space‘ behaviour as a kid (and later, but it is easier to enforce one‘s boundaries as a grown up).

Apparently there is a generation gap with older folks thinking nothing of it (statistically speaking).

I think either way his behaviour should disqualify him. But I don‘t care too much about Biden‘s policy positions and Style (parachuting his son into a Ukrainian CEO position... I mean, really).

If it comes to Biden vs Trump (or Pence, or...) though, I‘m all in for Biden, obviously. Just hope it won‘t come to that.

the Democratic field is crowded with appealing candidates

I disagree... I don't know who I could possibly vote for in '20 as all Democrat candidates so far seem to be towing the TWAW line (read all available candidate perspectives available as of last week) and other off kilter things (e.g. Bernie is calling for all prisoners to be allowed to vote - while in prison, without regard for crime committed... mass commercialized incarceration is the real problem, being vetted post-release to regain voting rights is not the problem IMO); and most Republican potential candidates (incl. incumbent) are focused on immigration policies and the economy - both important issues but not the most important issues for this election IMO.

I'm at a loss - right now I don't have any options. I've voted in every presidential election since I turned 18yr (42yr now) and every state and local election since 25yr. For the first time in all these years I'm having to put some of my less pressing policy issues to the side while looking at candidates as female/women's rights are my first priority.

predatory or just overly affectionate?

I think it's the latter. Overly affectionate for some people. I am not a hugger, and I don't like people to get into my personal space, but I think I do know the difference.

Biden is largely responsible for the Violence Against Women Act, which was drafted by his office when he was a senator in the 1990s. VAWA has been highly instrumental in strengthening and expanding domestic violence and sexual assault services in the US.

female/women's rights

The fact that I feel the need to qualify women's rights by leading it with the word female because so many people here see women's rights as including TW is a red flag.

Argh, not 'here' as in MN FWR - 'here' as in the US

seneca if you have seen this clips put together of him sniffing women and little girls hair, posing for photos with young girls and insisting they stand next to him while he has a grip on them and saying things like "if I was younger" to a teenager. It's wrong on so many levels. Yet nobody challenges him because of his power and say in politics.

Yet nobody challenges him because of his power and say in politics.

And because it's a lot easier to believe the people that you like. I really thought he was a good man. Him, and Louis CK and Joss Whedon.
People have the same reaction to Bill Cosby and Michael Jackson. If you like them you don't want to believe.

I didn't know anything about the allegations of his inappropriate touching etc until I came across the clips thread referred to by
cadburymilkchoc above. I watched it in disbelief and felt quite sick by the end of it. I don't think it'll damage his chances at all, which is an utterly dispiriting thought.

mrsterry yes exactly. Really though aren't all abusive men "charming". Because how else would they get away with doing with they do. They need people to like and adore them so people will never believe they are capable of these things. As you said Michael Jackson and Bill crosby.
And no his chances of that damaging his chances are little because of the power he already holds

Biden is largely responsible for the Violence Against Women Act, which was drafted by his office when he was a senator in the 1990s. VAWA has been highly instrumental in strengthening and expanding domestic violence and sexual assault services in the US

What has that got to to with it? The many videos showing him to be inappropriate with women and girls is not disregarded because of good work he may do elsewhere.

His behaviour should not be compared to any others, it should be judged for what it is. I think it’s pretty clear his behaviour is unwanted in several recorded instances and that he is using his position of power to touch people inappropriately. I am appalled he is still able to run for President. I shall not give him a free pass because Trump is just, if not possibly more, gross than him.

SenecaFalls
I think it's the latter. Overly affectionate for some people
Please.
Don't be naive. Targeting young girls, demanding their physical closeness, stoking their hair and whispering things in their ear like is a far cry from "over affectionate".
He can't control himself. His urges are on display in front of everyone!

YouTube video above compiles JB caught on camera.

The BBC news report just said that his 'touchy feely approach to politics has proved controversial"

I think they meant that his touchy feely approach to women and children's bodies has proved controversial

Several thoughts as a frustrated American with no political home:

1. If you haven't watched the videos, you should, especially before giving Biden the benefit of the doubt. There are a number of creepy Biden compilations out there, and they are all equally disgusting and showcase his utter disregard for boundaries and appropriate behavior with young girls and women.
2. When someone shows you who they are, believe them. Regardless of any past political action that may have benefitted women, Biden's recent behavior is appalling and sick. He clearly does not respect women, despite any past political actions on our behalf. He will never have my vote.
3. If you're an American and you care about women's rights and protection under the law, the erasure of lesbians, and the toxic, harmful genderism destroying our children, then you do NOT have a Democratic candidate (or any other, for that matter) to support. They ALL have voiced support of the TRA agenda or the new Equal Rights Act.

I have no idea what I'll do for 2020, save one thing: I'll stay true to my beliefs and only vote for a candidate willing to fight for the future of my daughters as biologic females. Period.

3. If you're an American and you care about women's rights and protection under the law, the erasure of lesbians, and the toxic, harmful genderism destroying our children, then you do NOT have a Democratic candidate

^This

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