Probably naive, disgusted

[Shockedandsickened]

Don't watch porn at all, don't agree with the industry. DP doesn't watch it but doesn't understand industry, a little bit head in sand. Anyway we were discussing and went on a site that had stories on it, discussing if that was acceptable or not considering people are not involved except writers and OMFG.

I am probably naive but the top 20 stories...

About 8 were about mother and son
About 4 were like virgin daughter seduces her father
About 6 were about brother and sister
The other 2 were neighbours or friends, so not incest

I am so so so so disgusted. What the fuck is humanity seriously? I am just.... in deep deep shock.

What the fuck is going on with society?
I'm so deeply disturbed by AGP and paedophiles (to an awful extent) but at least you can say that is SOMEWHAT of an anomaly (though paedophilia is so scarily common) and is seen as deeply abhorrent by the majority. But this... it's the TOP results, the MOST POPULAR. People find this a TURN ON...... it makes me want to fucking cry tbh.

WTAF WTAF WTAF

I think the majority of people would be revolted by the stuff that is around. I dont want to see it and wouldn't want to watch any of it. When I hear about the level of violence I am appalled and very worried about the safety of the current generation of young women.

Gosh I agree. Dh and I don’t watch porn but thought we’d have a look at some texts. The website I looked at was recommended on MN.
I was absolutely horrified at the “most popular” contents page, I can’t get my head around what passed for “normal” nowadays.

If porn sites want to try to peddle the myth porn does no harm one would think a basic starting point would be to ban porn which features storylines (using that term very loosely) which are actually illegal, even if it is only actors.

Humans are supposed to find incest and bestiality revolting. Normal people (and I don't care how judgemental that sounds) should be hard wired to find them revolting.

Humans are supposed to find incest and bestiality revolting. Normal people (and I don't care how judgemental that sounds) should be hard wired to find them revolting.

This is what im thinking!

There is a similar trend in self-published romance novels, which involve things like weird human/dragon sex, and then some of the teen books on werewolves and vampires, I suspect, pushes similar buttons for some readers.

I think the reason is that it is transgressive, and transgression is, in and of itself, very erotic for a lot of people. My guess is that it at least partly relates to the way the brain is effected chemically, the heightened sensations and awareness that comes from danger and crossing boundaries. That's a lot of appeal that porn has fundamentally, making public what is normally private.

Except if you have access to reams of the stuff, and you keep crossing that same boundary, and it is quite accepted as normal and healthy and everyone does it, well that seems quite vanilla, as they say.

It is a lot like some decadent society where people are eating honey glazed hummingbird tongues, because their palates have been so compromised by culinary overindulgence. The transgression has to be more and more extreme to get the same thrill. (I always wonder about people who push kink acceptance, it seems very self-defeating to me.)

I think it's likely that most people who read or watch this stuff still would not find the idea of having that kind of sex with their actual mother or sister very appealing, but I also think eventually that sort of thing will affect people's attitudes and a certain number's sexual interests in real life.

"Humans are supposed to find incest and bestiality revolting. Normal people (and I don't care how judgemental that sounds) should be hard wired to find them revolting."

As I get older, I think less and less that we are hardwired to feel any particular way about these kinds of things. There have been whole societies that are ok with infanticide, which most of us would find a horrific idea. There have been some societies with pretty weird sexual tastes too.

It's also the case that you don't usually need a cultural taboo when no one is likely to want to do a thing.

It's men exerting power and humiliation over the women who are close to them in their lives.

OP, were those top twenty stories all written by men?

Were stories written by women different and more acceptable?

Yeah incest porn is in vogue right now and it is really vile. I don't get it.

DH was disciplining someone for watching porn at work

In the early days of the internet and PCs one of the big insurance companies sacked someone on the spot for gross misconduct for watching porn at work on an office PC.

Unbelievably the ex- employee took them to an employment tribunal and even more unbelievably won compensation for unfair dismissal as the company didn't have a clear, stated policy on this.

As if anyone with half a brain needed to be told you shouldn't be looking at porn in working hours on your employer's computer- but apparently you do need this spelt out.

My own DH had to stop a video conference (he was working from home and videoing in) because he could see that a member of staff sitting behind the person he was calling was watching porn. Absolutely clear and blatant porn window open. The same person then went onto watch porn on an evening shift where there was only one other person in the room with him - a woman, of course. That's not about a kink, that's about a giant fuck you to the only other female person in the room.

DH made it his mission to get him sacked, and actually the easiest way to do it was because his stats were really low (cos of the porn watching). So he actually was dismissed for poor productivity rather than watching porn. DH wasn't happy about that at all but obviously just wanted him out so went with HR's advice.

The world is fucked. And yet, on another thread, posters are queuing up to tell the OP that there was nothing wrong with her fiancé going to a sex club on his stag night, despite the fact that they'd discussed it explicitly...

I went on a porn site recently after reading something on here about choking being popular. It was a site for women apparently. I couldn’t believe that half strangling people s now mainstream, I did know it was a kink. It’s awful. So wrong. Incest is also just gross.
And kids are a click away from this stuff. And think it’s normal

A bit off topic, but I just recently got a blackmail email which looked like it was sent from my own email address (I know there is a trick to do that without needing account access) and the email said they had installed malware on my computer that had allowed them to record me and the computer screen while I was getting off on some adult site. And if I don‘t transfer 900 bucks in bitcoin there and there they‘ll send the recording to everyone in my contact list.

This blackmail attempt is doomed to fail on so many levels (including my camera being nonfunctional since time immemorial and my inability to transfer bitcoins......), but apparently, consuming porn in front of the computer is now considered the default (possibly even for women, considering that my email name makes my gender unambiguously clear).

Like a previous poster I now question if we are hardwired to find things wrong or if it's environment that stops us. I always thought incest was wrong including marriage between first cousins, but I have watched an honest documentary about the subject and for some communities can appreciate it is normal.

I am 100 percent not saying these things are right, but I am saying that I feel this because of my upbringing and others may have have differing views because of theirs.

As I get older, I think less and less that we are hardwired to feel any particular way about these kinds of things. There have been whole societies that are ok with infanticide, which most of us would find a horrific idea. There have been some societies with pretty weird sexual tastes too.

I think it is just possible to place a cohesive ideology over a society and people consciously override our hardwired feelings of aversion. For example people might believe that unless they sacrifice a newborn to appease a bloodthirsty God, then plagues and famine will fall upon them. There also must be powerful (probably male dominated) structures in place to force a mother to give up her infant for sacrifice for the 'greater good' or the tribe or clan.

With the Spartans they threw male infants who weren't strong enough over a cliff to their deaths and the mother/son bond was brutally severed at age 7 where they would be sent to be sexually, emotionally and physically abused as part of their training to become soldiers. It is hard to get your head around that. How could the mums let go of their boys like that? It must have been emotional torture.

When the wider social structures enable it, the disgust is still there. For example Rose and Fred West's children hated the abuse although it's all they'd known and many of the grown up 'Children of God' kids who were ritually abused and now damaged and really angry.

So although child abuse is perennial the disgust and hatred experienced is too. Societies have just had different justifications and excuses for it over the years. Sometimes the vile perverts are in power and make the rules and the powerless have to go along with it.

With regard to the OP I have noticed a shift where I think transvestism used to be noted as the most common paraphilia. Recently returning to the same documents 'attraction to children' is now listed as the most common. There is definitely something afoot. I wonder who is pushing for the normalisation of incest and child abuse. I reckon 10 or 15 years ago there is no way those would have been the top titles/themes. Is it possible even that the site the op stumbled upon is actually an incest propaganda site pretending to be a neutral list?

Is it possible even that the site the op stumbled upon is actually an incest propaganda site pretending to be a neutral list?

Not necessarily, just look at the front page of Youporn. Full of incest.

Shit. I can't look at that stuff. Things have definitely evolved . I wonder who chooses what gets on the front page though? These sickos make sure they get into position of visibility and control. You already have to be wrong in the head to go into the porn industry. I bet it is full of sadistic nonces. And then all the men of the world obediently wank to the nonce conductors.

Of course, this actual normalization of harmful sexual practices (choking, BDSM with lasting damage...) feeds into the rightwing conspiracy theory, where the powers that be try to erode society, starting with the liberation of women, then gays.... and ending with a destruction of all norms. Not sure to what end. New world order something something ... I guess (not sure how that ties in, but anyway).

I doubt it is some concerted effort, but I do think that justified liberation movements have empowered some people with inclinations that are taboo for a good reason, because they do harm. And somehow, nobody (except people who are ,staunch conservatives‘ who hate all liberation movements or people used to being mocked for their principles, like radfems) want to be the party poopers. And so it goes on and on...

It is obvious that there are an inter-connected group of fucked up deviants who offer to do the 'social media' for different orgs and insodoing have had disproportionate influence to push their agenda. It would actually surprise me if they weren't doing the same thing with Pornhub, etc (on the areas of the Web I don't go near) that they have been doing more visibly with political parties, pressure groups, trade unions, etc.

WeRiseUp I agree there is a coordinated effort by often well connected groups, like those who latched onto the gay movement in order to normalize paedophilia on its back in the 90‘s. The well connectedness probably stems from some influential people being paedophiles, too. I just don‘t think there is some grand conspiracy to socially engineer society by first liberating women and then...

Sure. I see it as a grab for power rather than a rolling out of some grand plan.

DeepWaterSolo I do think there's a connection there. Perhaps not an illuminati conspiracy but I do think disgust at all this is a driver towards 'traditional values'. In a polarised environment that means moving towards full on Right Wing.

It's totally disingenuous, this attitude of So What? It's just sex!! If it was Just Sex it wouldn't be everywhere, would it? Sexual matters are deeply affective on a psychological level. There's nothing at all wrong with being 'prudish' and having a bit of respect for something that is a powerful force.

When you think about it, humans have a strong aversion to other people's bodily fluids, for good reason. But the sex drive is in opposition to that, when attraction is strong enough it overrides it. It's normal and healthy to be a bit squicked out about sex, other people's sex lives, sex with the wrong people. Damaging harmful sexual practises. It's only the right wing that even acknowledges that, and it works to draw people inon a deep level - normal, healthy, decent people.
And of course a lot of RW ideology makes a lot of sense, and there's other draws too. But there doesn t seem to be a lot of political nuance around nowadays, in for a penny in for a pound.

I feel like putting in a paragraph about how n oormal and healthy and beautiful sex can be, and how everyone is different and consenting adults and so on. But fuck it we know all that. Can we not also acknowledge the shadow sid, and treat sex the same way as you'd treat driving a fast car, exhilarating and life affirming but care and consideration required.

And yeah, there's often an element of transgression in good sex. That's probably the the struggle between the sex drive and the disgust* centre.

We need boundaries in society. Much as they chafe at times. Better everyone chafe a little, than some get utterly destroyed - it's a utilitarian thing.

*for want of a better word.