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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

What the Ever-Loving Fuck now?

105 replies

AlwaysComingHome · 16/04/2019 21:03

Just speechless.

twitter.com/trustednerd/status/1118223678787833856?s=12

What the Ever-Loving Fuck now?
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NotBadConsidering · 16/04/2019 22:20

NotTerfNorCis they aren’t real followers, they’re bought and paid for. Someone explained on previous thread about this predator person that it’s not that expensive. Clue is thousands of followers but no likes or retweets. Plus the number is clearly too ludicrously high to be real.

Yabbers · 16/04/2019 22:21

This is badly worded and is being misunderstood.

This is a legal ruling, which was made in response to the arguments made by the plaintiffs which cited specific statutes which were being violated. The claim was that the statutes protected their privacy, the judge said that actually that statute said they had no right to visual privacy, only physical privacy I.e not to be touched. The original statute was a case for female strip searches.

So, he didn’t say the policy was ok and women are allowed to be put in that position, he was saying the specific law cited by the plaintiff didn’t cover this situation.

He couldn’t make any other ruling as the law doesn’t allow him to. He ruled that several parts of the case can go to the next step of the process where he said “The “it would not shock” him if the 7th Circuit or Supreme Court “one day recognizes the right to bodily privacy” as the plaintiffs want, but until then, he does not have the right to “expand the substantive rights protected by the Due Process Clause.”

It’s a bit like the supervisor not being able to offer a discount, they have to call a manager.

It’s also worth noting a big part of this case is the religious freedom of the plaintiffs not to undress in front of a man. That’s going forward too. Not sure whether that’s helpful or not because it surely wouldn’t help if the only argument against this was on the grounds of religion.

The piece notes the students arguing against this have been ostracised by many of their peers, so it seems there are some who don’t have a problem with the policy and that why these girls chose not to take up the offer of alternative facilities. Frankly, it would seem better if everyone sat down to find a solution which helps them all which I’m sure can be done.

Back in the day, our school had some communal changing rooms because there was a big imbalance of girls v boys and not enough single sex accommodation. The rules were that outside of the cubicles, you had to be fully clothed. Seems like a good solution to me.

OhHolyJesus · 16/04/2019 22:22

FFS

I'm not sure how much more of this I can take.

I'm so glad I'm not in US or Canada but I know it won't be long for the UK.

What actually has to happen before someone actually does something?

SarahTancredi · 16/04/2019 22:27

What actually has to happen before someone actually does something

Men are literally getting away with murder saying their partners consented to rough sex.

A woman who recorded her own rape was told she wasbt a good enough victim therefore no rape was committed.

Theres no where left to go. Nothing that can happen to change anything. Not any more. Even on the wake of Jimmy saville peope who have been.investigated and found to not understand safe guarding can still advise on policies that dismantle safe guarding completely

Be sure of one thing though.

This will be our fault Hmm

OhHolyJesus · 16/04/2019 22:37

This will be our fault

Nope

We cannot and will never accept responsibility for this - not when we have said it over and over and over again.

I feel so exhausted by it and I know it will probably get worse before it gets better but I have you lot, I get strength from you all, I know I'm not alone.

Women have been fighting forever. We were made to fight. We are warriors, all of us. This will not be laid at our door. To quote another MNer, Not today Satan!

SarahTancredi · 16/04/2019 22:42

Dont worry I won't be accepting it either.

In an.instant hundreds of us could release email conversations with God knows who to prove it

You can.kick them.off Twitter.

Suspend them from.MN

But we arent going anywhere..

SirVixofVixHall · 16/04/2019 22:45

I have just been reading Julie Bindell’s piece on Dworkin, very, very true. It will get worse for women.

NotTerfNorCis · 16/04/2019 22:49

the number is clearly too ludicrously high to be real

True. I mean, this individual is so unpleasant and controversial, other TRAs don't want to be associated with them. So it's hard to believe they can attract a massive following.

FannyCann · 16/04/2019 22:50

Deleted my previous account as my obsolete email was potentially identifying. Hey ho.

Anyway, I've just revisited the 🥝 farms thread (175 pages) latest is he's deleted the tweet but busily getting everyone posting about it kicked off.

Anyone who's engaging on Twitter - I suspect ** is using this as a way to find more people to report. A lot of the tweets in the thread now show as unavailable.

The glamour photo shoot is something else. Grin

barelove · 16/04/2019 23:03

Yabbers

Thank you. I found that really helpful.

So, if I've got it right... while it's totally shit that the perverts are cherry picking from it to further their cause and the law is spectacularly lacking in that particular area, the judge himself isn't to blame and the case will proceed.

Voice0fReason · 16/04/2019 23:11

This is just bloody horrifying.
I don't understand how there isn't a huge outcry.

SarahTancredi · 16/04/2019 23:18

don't understand how there isn't a huge outcry

Friends in high places

Anyone who mentions it is banned from.twitter/Facebook/MN

You dont think.people would admit feminists were right do you. No reaction gives them the ability to say " nope no idea what you are talking about"

ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving · 16/04/2019 23:30

Thanks Yabbers that was very clear

SeaWitchly · 16/04/2019 23:43

It’s women who support this that I really don’t get.
Yes, women have been fighting for their dignity and rights for millennia and we will continue fighting.
Meanwhile however there are some women who are only too eager to roll over for men and the men who feel like women, in the process throwing their own sex under the bus.
Recently someone here posted a short video of a burly late transitioning transwoman who addressed Justin Trudeau re transwomen being sent to male prison estate, camera pans to sympathetic women in the audience clapping speech re TW being most oppressed ever with JT earnestly promising his administration would right this great wrong...
It is the applauding women I particularly cannot forgive or forget Angry

stealthsquirrelnutkin · 16/04/2019 23:51

It’s also worth noting a big part of this case is the religious freedom of the plaintiffs not to undress in front of a man. That’s going forward too. Not sure whether that’s helpful or not because it surely wouldn’t help if the only argument against this was on the grounds of religion.

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ArcheryAnnie · 17/04/2019 01:30

In a few years' time there's going to be lawsuits, newspaper articles, handwringing by politicians, all wondering how this kind of thing happened.

Here's how it happened.

Ereshkigal · 17/04/2019 01:39

"Before the girls’ locker room was opened to Student A but after the restrooms were, a non-plaintiff girl “who had been sexually assaulted previously” saw Student A’s penis, according to Alonso: “District 211 failed to investigate or remediate the situation.”"

Any woman who considers herself a feminist who supports the sexual bullying and harassment of survivors of male sexual violence in this way, should take a long hard look in the mirror. As should any so called "feminist" man, of any stripe. And any man who claims to be "woke". None of you give a shit about women.

StopThePlanet · 17/04/2019 02:51

I invoke my own name STOP THE PLANET I WANT TO GET OFF!!!!!

Damnit I was hoping deep inside that I may create a rip in space/time and be thrown into a less patriarchal parallel universe. I'm fucking stuck here aren't I?

BluebonicPlague · 17/04/2019 03:23

You know how this is going to be spun don't you: 'Females freak out at sight of penis' - because men just don't get it. They really really don't get it.
Because NAMALT.
Because none of them have ever been a girl.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 17/04/2019 08:21

He cited other appeals courts that have knocked down attempts by parents to stop certain curricular activities. In one, young children were asked how much time they spend “thinking about touching other peoples’ private parts,” and in another, students were subjected to a “mandatory AIDS-awareness assembly” where masturbation and “orgasm face” were simulated.

Given things like this I am not sure that there will be any sensible sitting down and discussing the best way forward happening any time soon!

I am not entirely certain I have read that correctly, but very much fear I have.

AlwaysTawnyOwl · 17/04/2019 08:32

Seawitchly - I don’t get women who cheer this stuff on either. It’s like women who say ‘of course I’m not a feminist’ - I usually ask if they would legally like to be paid less than a man doing the same job, be sacked for getting pregnant, be legally raped by their husband etc etc. Of course they don’t but they don’t connect these things with feminism these are things which women have somehow just got by right. It’s particularly bad with younger women who don’t understand the huge struggle women had to gain rights. Frankly I want to give them a shake but maybe this is the power of female socialisation in action

CharlieParley · 17/04/2019 08:32

You know how this is going to be spun don't you: 'Females freak out at sight of penis' - because men just don't get it. They really really don't get it.

Yup. Already had that conversation. Got asked what was so disgusting about a naked male body that I didn't want to share my changing room with a male-bodied person. Zero, absolutely zero understanding of the issues around male violence against women and girls or the right to bodily privacy.

In my view, this is bound to get worse. Judging from my oldest DC's generation, they have neither expectation nor experience of privacy when it comes to their lives. Everything is shared online for all to see. Even when they - like my DC - share little of their own lives on social media, they still find their friends' exposure perfectly normal. With their innermost thoughts regularly bared to outside inspection, their very move documented for all and sundry, it is only a small step to have them accept the loss of bodily privacy.

They're already halfway there - as we can see in the trans rights debate, most support the loss of the legal right to bodily privacy. Unthinkingly is my guess, because these kids have a profoundly different understanding and expectation of privacy, happily proclaiming that privacy doesn't exist anyway whenever I raise this issue with them.

FannyCann · 17/04/2019 08:40

Yup. Already had that conversation. Got asked what was so disgusting about a naked male body that I didn't want to share my changing room with a male-bodied person.

Don't forget, you're meant to see the soul, not the body.

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Alltheprettyseahorses · 17/04/2019 08:43

Sick. Right there, open to the world. If there is handwringing by the press and officials, they'd better be told it is their fault for knowingly enabling this. Why isn't that on the front page of every newspaper in Canada?

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 17/04/2019 09:45

The thread on AIBU still hasnt been reinstated

Its still being looked at i think

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