Government must make LGBT+ relationships classes compulsory in all schools, teachers say

[NeurotrashWarrior]

Passed at NEU conference.

I do agree that LGB should be included as part of relationship classes.

I think it becomes very confusing if the T is included.

I can see children querying if a trans person who is attracted to members of their own sex is 'gay' or 'straight' and also then this confusing matters in consent lessons.

A generation of young people could be gaslit and coerced. I believe you are attracted to who you are attracted to and boxes don't matter and that's absolutely fine between consenting adults, but it's the very nature of consent and homosexuality that lesbians are free to be attracted to adult human females.

Learning about same sex relationships in an age appropriate way from a young age may actually support children who start to query their sex due to not understanding same sex relationships. The T is the issue.

www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/lgbt-relationships-classes-lessons-teachers-parents-protests-a8872176.html

Absolutely agree vicky.

Reposting R0wantrees post from Monday on the times thread:

The interviw by Benjamin Boyce is with Claire Graham who as well as being an intesex & women's rights advocate is also a SEN professional.

Here at 'Correcting A Blindspot' Leeds event organised by Lisa Muggeridge analysing the legal & policy implications of schools 'transgender toolkits:

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Tweets at https://twitter.com/MRKHvoice?lang=en-gb & an important voice to follow.

We'll end up with kids being taught that a female feotus can grow male body parts by mistake, or whatever that moron police officer said he'd been told on his course.

I've been looking at schools for DC as we're planning on moving to Wokesville soon, and have been checking out their equality policies and every single one so far has had "gender" or "gender identity" listed instead of "sex". It feels like we're trying to bail water out of a boat that's already at the bottom of the ocean.

From this thread, around 715 posts in (trying to be as thorough as R0!)

Times article - calls to end transgender 'experiment' on children www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3553935-Times-article-calls-to-end-transgender-experiment-on-children

what will happen in almost all schools is that they'll buy in packages and/or 'specialists' to do this.

This is inevitably what will happen, and it's perfectly reasonable for schools to buy in packages or specialists when they think that they will be able to deliver the material more effectively than if they left it to the teachers to do on their own. But what the schools shouldn't be doing is outsourcing their thinking.

It's one thing to look at what has to be delivered, decide how they want to do it, and buy in whatever they need. It's another to blindly look at the source list and buy in whatever is offered by Stonewall/Mermaids/GIRES et al without looking at what they are actually offering.

After the briefest foray onto the TES forum threads on the latest reports, the commenters appear to be pretty much in agreement as here, just much less technical links and legal info.

Example responses to this report: www.tes.com/news/strong-public-backing-primary-lgbt-lessons

"What is an LGBT identity? Are the identities of lesbian people identical with those of transgender people? Are the identities of bisexual people identical with those of gay people? Of course they are not, these people are as diverse as the rest of the population and deserve no more special access to the classroom than anyone else."

"And doesn’t the label LGBT+ confuse the distinction between gender and sexuality?"

If everyone in society teaches children that everyone is valuable and has a part to play, then explicit teaching about any kind of 'equality' shouldn't be needed.
Unfortunately this doesn't happen and so lessons in school are required.

"Most people teaching such topics to young children do so via conversation as it comes up, not as a half hour lesson once a fortnight for a half term."

It's worth following the research Prof Glazzard / his department is doing / btw.

No wonder we are the laughing stock of the world as having such poor levels of education.
Don't parents do anything with their kids these days.
I'm glad mine won't be doing it, her education is too important.
I agree you cover it maybe in PHSE perhaps one a whole term.

It is a pity that it is almost impossible to have a civilised discussion about this anywhere other than Feminism Chat.
Parents really need to get this information to raise awareness of what their children are being taught.

Parents really need to get this information to raise awareness of what their children are being taught.

It's a problem that all the news stories are about 'homophobic parents objecting to LGBT relationships being taught'. We could do with some that said things like 'Parents object to their children being taught that they can change sex', or 'Parents discover that their children are being taught that they might have been born in the wrong body'.

Teacher here.

Feeling extreme anxiety and worry about this.

Like pps I am totally fine with LGB. It's the T that is the problem. We have been asked at school if we would like to be part of a group doing the planning / teaching of RSE. I agonised a lot over this because I thought if I was part of it I would not be able to keep my mouth shut. I have finally said I would like to be part of the group. I will see what happens. I am gearing myself up to speak out but I honestly don't know if I will be brave enough. I feel so angry, with the system and with myself. I feel like I have to choose between my job and my beliefs. Not even beliefs. It's just fact.

I have talked informally to a few colleagues and have been so heartened to find they agree. They think the trans stuff is crazy too. I don't know if they will say anything though. It's notable that this is the only issue that people are scared to say anything about that does not toe the line. We have assembly every morning and subjects like religion are brought up and it's made clear to the kids that some people believe in one religion, some people in another and some people are atheists and that's all fine. However, as soon as it's this trans issue, it's suddenly fact that everyone has a gender identity. Any disagreement, any questioning is tantamount to hate speech. I have heard some of the younger students being labelled 'transphobic' simply because they say what they see i.e. a man is a man.

We've had some really woke assemblies recently; at one the kids were told that some people identify as male, some people identify as female and some people identify as neither male nor female.

One of my hopes is that parents will see the madness of the T stuff and will object. Parents need to agree with the syllabus. I don't think they will be happy if their children are taught that humans can change sex and some women have penises.

What's a T+ relationship when it's at home?

Sincerely, a bisexual.

@Chocalatecappuccino so glad to hear your position on this, I'm sure you would find yourself in the majority if only you could speak and find other like-minded colleagues to do so with you. It must be terrifying for you, I really commend you for your bravery, it takes a lot to speak up when you want to keep your job.

I wanted to ask how, if you could see any way how T could be taught where it didn't indoctrinate kids, particularly primary school kids. I think younger children trust adults so implicitly they just believe them when they explain things are this way or that. I have a pre schooler who says 'why' all day long but he will be at school next year and he would absolutely just take it as truth whatever a teacher said.

He takes after me and will be a very curious teenager and proudly announce his view to the world I'm sure but the bit in between scared the shit out of me, it really does!

I haven't even have a school visit but I'm thinking of raising it already, I know I'd be looked as a transphobic mad radfem but I will not have my child taught lies.

@OhHolyJesus thanks. I hope I will be able to find my voice and speak out.

I have thought a lot about how to teach the T without indoctrination and the only way I have come up is that it should be taught in the same way as religion - as a belief system. However, with gender ideology, it's already being put forward as fact. And if anyone disagrees, they're bigots. This is what worries me. Children should not be taught lies.

Chocolatecappucino

Have you considered working in the private sector, they can choose whether to do these daft things or not.
It's great not having to worry what hair brained idea the government are going to think of next.

@Chocalatecappuccino thank you for your reply and for being brave. I hope it works out in your job and you don't run into trouble with this, you certainly don't deserve to. I know the majority of teachers will handle this sensitively and truthfully.

Wishing you all the best.

This thread disappeared quickly on this very busy board but Chocalatecappuccino - in this link you can see how trans groups accessing children in schools are undermining safeguarding. And no matter how much shouting about transphobia there is, I have yet to see any individual or group justify why they are doing this. The silence is deafening.
It may give you some clear evidence to use in school - after all, safeguarding is still the top priority.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3559214-Transgender-Trend-Schools-Guidance-Safeguarding-Concerns

Thanks truthisarevolutionaryact. I have that document. I am writing a letter to my school and will send it to them along with the TT schools pack.

RomanyQueen1 I am in the private sector. It's a school for children with learning disabilities. Nearly all of our kids are on the autistic spectrum.

RuffleCrow

A 'T+' relationship is one where you get biscuits too.

You're welcome.