John Boyne's new book 'My brother's name is Jessica'.

[Helmetbymidnight]

John Boyne (author of boy in the striped pajamas) is bringing out a book called My brother's name is Jessica, and this is simply not acceptable, apparently.

He's written an article here:

www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/john-boyne-why-i-support-trans-rights-but-reject-the-word-cis-1.3843005?fbclid=IwAR0WqWp2a3dIu-4pxDKS7k9XQO5lZR4PCKh_AFhAeTRoZMm0TmuiCBvoUjQ

Doc and co are going nuts at him. Not as nuts as they would if it was written by a straight woman, I imagine, but even so.

It's about time the world of books got stuck into this debate. They've been very slow on this one.

Fingers crossed this is like the Martina Navratilova situation, and a deletion and a period of reflection is followed up by an unrepentant Times Op Ed.

I doubt it though. Too scared of the loss of book sales.

Re the use of cis:
Comparing it to other adjectives such as 'tall' or 'blonde' is pretty easy to argue against.
Then someone says: Does it bother you to be called straight if you aren't gay?
Well no, it doesn't bother me because hmmm. it's not forcing me to acknowledge or place myself as having an identity that I reject as imaginary.
Help me articulate this please?

I do object straight as it was used in opposition to bent apparently.

If LGBT want minority labels have them, they serve a purpose as just that.

Accepting cis means you believe in the existence of male women. It means you accept gender as a feeling inside, not a social construct. It implies you accept all the stereotypes that go with 'woman'.

He’s actually incredibly strong-willed and in no way a pushover. I don’t think he’ll bow down any time soon.

The thread attacking John is something else.

This tweet made me laugh. Glinner is "one of the most hateful men on the planet".

Later on that prove that with a screenshot of him telling someone to fuck off. Oh the actual horror.

Is it possible that peak trans is a never-ending mountain range?

*They prove that

Plus now John Boyne is a transphobe.

Obviously.

I really want Lionel Shriver to write about a trans character. She wouldn’t take any of this shit.

He'll be doing a big hair shirt apology rather than peaking, betcha.

Yup.

The Glinner apology no longer exists, it didn't last long.

At least it's preserved for posterity here and in screenshots on Twitter.

He’s actually incredibly strong-willed and in no way a pushover. I don’t think he’ll bow down any time soon.

So strong-willed that his tweet apologising for being graceless about Glinner lasted... how long?

Is it possible that peak trans is a never-ending mountain range?

It's when you think you're at the summit, and then you realise it's the foothills.

Anyone else humming ‘climb every mountain’ (then breaking into ‘how do you solve a problem like Maria?’)?

Your problem with telling Boyne that Glinner is the most hateful man on the planet and an utter transphobe, is that it loses all meaning when you add and now you are too.

🤣

Lang Oh I missed that. Okay, full retraction!

I wish he'd read this thread, so we could show him a more balanced view point.

Okay, full retraction!

Never doubt the potential pusillanimity of a man!

I hope the TRAs’ abuse of the author ramps up until they peak trans him.

Having just got up to speed, I think that wish from PP has come true. It doesn't matter that JB won't publicly change sides, others can read what has occurred. Every time the Genderists do this they add a bit more weight to the scales tipping against them.

I'm not conflicted (though this whole conflict makes me sad), this is unalloyed good publicity and at no cost to women.

Puuulll. The nutters are pulling with us without meaning to.

I'm not going to link Little Lizzie's twitter from Kat's post, the Lizzie who's branded John Boyne as one of the most hateful or the people on the planet

I'm not going to link to the people who Lizzie is obviously directly connected to and in a relationship with , or the things Lizzie's interested in (many of which lots of people on the FWR board will recognise and go, oh, yeah, again?) because:-

a) Lots of people who are on this board will be already familiar with Lizzie and Lizzie's type of trans activisim. Lizzie is part of a very familiar group of people, which we're unlikely to be able to say much about on this board without risk of deletion. But we see you Lizzie, and your 'hate' .

b) I suspect people like Lizzie have got enough going on with their lives, they don't need additional focus from others on them. I hope Lizzie finds their own path, which doesn't encroach on women's rights, women's dignity or privacy, but gives Lizzie the opportunity to be 'Lizzie' with their trans partner. Lizzie - be you, do you, but learn boundaries.

Lizzie won't be here, of course, 'cos 'transphobia', but if I could talk to Lizzie I would say:

Lizzie, you're tilting at the wrong windmills lovely. Shout at the men who hate you presenting outside the stereotypes of maleness. Get angry at men who don't like your relationship with another transwoman. Choose your battles Lizzie, against those who are truly against you, instead of those who are simply for women and lesbian and gay rights (Not that John's quite there yet, but Lizzie's currently shouting at anyone who may risk straying into that territory!

Apologies for my slightly grumpy last post. But these are the people who are attacking not only John Boyne, but many others.

If you're new to this board, and wondering who are the people who are most angry at john Boyne, Graham Lineham:- any one, just anyone who doesn't toe the line to the latest trans rules of what you should and shouldn't say, think or be. Seeking out their next target of anger.

Ask yourself. Who are these most vulnerable of all society are, who are shouting at others|?

You need to follow the links. Follow the trails. You will only need two or three clicks, links or scrolls to get who and where this is mainly coming from.

I believe many of them have issues of their own, which is why I have no interest in linking or highlighting them here. (Unlike the doxxing, attempts to shame, trans activists who try to do so to (mainly) women who are speaking out. I don't need to 'out' you, I can see you, every time you post, and I wander down your timeline. Though your perspective concerns me, I have no interest in 'outing' you).

Do a few minutes of research, new people on this board, if you're wondering who are the people shouting at John Boyne. Shouting at women. Shouting at anyone who questions their point of view.

A response to John Boyne's article appeared in the Irish Times today, written by Aoife Martin who is a trans woman. Full of the usual TRA stuff, nothing new to see here but interesting the IT was so quick to publish it and Aoife was sitting ready with the usual responses to shout about 'cis privilege'.

But of course trans people are the most oppressed on earth and fight for the right to exist and be heard every single day etc etc etc...

Whether John Boyne likes it or not he is a cis man with cis privilege

Funny how that trans person can label someone against their wishes and tell them ‘if they like it or not they are c**’, yet throw l their toys out of the pram if we dare to hint ‘if a trans person is Male, like it or not.’ Stinks of total hypocrisy.

Has he deleted his Twitter or something? When I search for him it says the page doesn't exist...

Yes, his twitter seems to have disappeared.

I’m apprehensive about how the book will be received by the trans community but I hope they’ll feel that I’ve treated the subject with care. The problem is that on both sides of the debate, there are so few nuances, so few shades of grey, that it feels like it has to be all or nothing. That you’re either an ally or an antagonist. But I’m not sure that life is quite so simple.

He really had no idea, did he?