Uniex toilets , who likes them ?

[daisy64]

As much as I feel that women deserve equal rights I really cant stand going into a public loo after a strange man comes out , how do you feel ?

I’ve stopped going to our local theatre because they’ve allowed men into the women’s toilets. The notice on the door says anyone can use whichever loo they “feel” best fits their “ gender identity”.
So basically any male predator, voyeur or pervert with a phone camera to hold under the door can just walk in unchallenged.
I now go to the theatre in a town 15 miles away. They have proper single sex toilets.

There are some in a shopping centre near me. They’re kept very clean and I do use them as they’re very convenient for a cafe where I often go for a coffee.

They’re cubicles with a shared area for hand-washing. They’re new, bright, have sanitary bins in spacious cubicles and are generally very well maintained.

I find it strange and rather uncomfortable when I’m washing my hands beside a man. That may be because I’m middle aged and unused to it. Mostly they’re empty though.

I would never use such a space if it was in an area that alcohol was being consumed. I wouldn’t go in if I could see a man hanging around in there. And in general, if there was a choice between this and an equally convenient single sex toilet (or even a self-contained cubicle) I’d use single sex every time, even if it was less comfortable.

Single occupancy toilet rooms are stinky and unhygienic if men use them, far more so than if they are women only.

And my two recent experiences with mixed sex banks of cubicles were utterly grim and nasty.
The first I had cystitis and had to pee, bleeding, sweating and silently crying with a bloke 12 inches to my right behind a 10 mm partition. Repeated that experience every 30 minutes. Tiny wash area involved awkward maneouvres to pass people without brushing against one another.
The other experience was a bank of perhaps 20 cubicles. Apparently a protocol had evolved naturally; women to the left, men to the right.
What this meant was that the first 10 loos smelled acceptable but had NO toilet paper, whereas the last 10 loos were disgusting but equipped with loo roll.
It was also down a stairwell, noone else around, felt quite isolated and could have been a vulnerable situation. I was there with my husband. Wouldn't have felt completely safe if it had been me and another man.

I will tolerate one that has washing facilities inside the cubicle, opens out into a relatively busy space (ie not a narrow dark corridor) and has floor to ceiling walls and doors. So often though there are gaps near the floor or overhead, anything wider that the thickness of a phone and I’m uncomfortable. Also I always check for unconvincing ‘coat hooks’ or other bits of plastic stuck where it shouldn’t be. Hidden cameras are becoming more common in places where men can access freely and then can expect women to use. A town near my had a spate of camera incidents in unisex toilets.

As much as I feel that women deserve equal rights I really can't stand going into a public loo after a strange man comes out
I don't understand that statement. Equal rights does not mean women are trying to be men, (as much as men like to make that claim.)

I don't like mixed sex toilets or personal spaces. I don't think they are necessary.
I used to work as a cleaner. The mens would take me twice as long as the womens. And the last time I was in hospital the cleaners all used to say the women kept their kitchen and toilets cleaner than the mens ward.

Vile, and if you're happy to use them then I suggest you raise your standards.

I hate them.
We have them at work and I walk a long way to go to a ladies instead each time. In fact I often avoid my office and work elsewhere when possible due to this.
I feel unisex aren't private enough and it makes me feel uncomfortable and vulnerable. I work in a very traditionally male job and don't want to share lavatories with my male colleagues.
And unisex loos stink.

Are you sure you haven't been going into the men's loos by mistake almondykess? Men's loos stink because of all the piss on the floor.

Women also wee on toilet seats, because many tend to hover over the seat rather than sit in it. i often do that myself. And i often have to wipe seats before permitting my granddaughter to sit on them.

Completely discrete units - walls right down to the floor and maybe a small hand wash basin - in a toilet corridor is not so much a problem. But other than that I don't feel comfortable about it at all.

The skygarden has unisex loos that are complete units with sinks, floor to ceiling doors, one queue for all, easy for mixed ages families.

I liked them.

In other less open spaces I'd not be too keen. Especially with a shared sink area.

I once heard a male colleague do a very noisy wet shit in one of those ‘men to the cubicles on the left, women to the cubicles on the right, shared handbasins in the middle’ type toilets.

Not sure which of us was most mortified but neither of us would choose to hire that venue again.

Would not use them. I'd rather not drink all day and risk dehydration than pee in one.

My last two offices have had unisex toilets (separate rooms entirely self enclosed with a sink in them). As someone who uses a mooncup, I far prefer this set up to single-sex toilets with shared sinks.

My previous office (same workplace, we moved sites) had single sex toilets. The womens toilets there were always WAY grosser than the unisex ones were once we moved sites. So in my experience, sharing with men made things cleaner, not messier. Or maybe people are just more willing to clean up after themselves in a larger room than a tiny cubicle.

So yeah, voice of dissent but I have no issue with it if they're self contained.

Is the cleaning provision identical on the new site to the old, bingo?

Self-cleanup is easier, I suppose, in a cubicle with a sink and paper towels.

No, they are disgusting my dd 15 went in one, I was with her and a man had the door open pants to the floor having a shit.
She said she's scarred for life.
They smelt and were disgusting, just no.

I used on at a National Trust place. I actually hadn’t realised they were unisex. There was a big door, then a small area with the mirror and sink etc, bin. Then the cubicle. DD,was potty training and I came out to wash my hands and dispose of the potty liner in the bin. There was a man standing there, he shot past me and into the cubicle. I was going to use the cubicle as well. But then I felt awkward in the room thinking he’d been listening. It was most strange and I felt he had invaded my personal space. I hadn’t noticed if the other door had a lock. But I’ve been back and the other door does lock and people wait outside, so I think the man was a bit strange to have entered.

@ErrolTheDragon Both cleaned once a day, at the end of the day.

I don't think that sounds that strange Dobby, I've used toilets in similar setups and that would be normal, means the queue moves at twice the speed

My DP tends to sit down at home to have a wee which seems much more civilised. Think it would be better if it became the norm for blokes to sit if there’s a seat, and only stand at a urinal

Having said that, in women only toilets there’s nothing worse than sitting down on a wet seat - I usually check and wipe them first but sometimes you’re in a hurry!

Some women can be just as inconsiderate as men, but most do make sure they leave a toilet clean

men are going to have to go their standards if moving to unisex loos, blokes loos can be vile

Up their standards even

I'm a primary school teacher and years ago we were a female only staff now we've 5 male teachers so we share the toilets (we only have 2) and they're much smellier then they used to be 😭 hate it .

Me! I like unisex loos, I've always wondered what men's loos are like and it feels very exciting!

You must be one in a million.

Do you feel special?

We have them in the college where I work. I find they remain cleaner than the old student toilets and less students hanging around inside the toilets

I'm not keen even before all this - places where there is only 1 loo and everyone shares always seem to be less clean, more likely to have run out of toilet paper, piss everywhere etc but I wonder if that's because they're smaller places with less resources generally.

The reason for the usual discrepancy in cleanliness etc (most people's experience is womens cleaner than mens only a few say vice versa) is that women are generally expected to / used to doing the cleaning at home etc and from when we are girls we are held to higher standards while the boys are allowed to be manky,

Plus the boys are used to being cleaned up after (not all families but most IME)

Plus women are socialised to be a bit more thoughtful - those coming after and the cleaners

Plus cleaners are often women and I think, IME in loads of situations, men see women who do cleaning and stuff, or rather they don't see them. While women do see them.

This is borne out in a million tropes about men living by themselves, male students teens etc being manky bastards isn't it?

All stereotypes obviously but in my day to day life it's pretty true. Even at a low level, the men in my workplaces have been much more likely to leave crumbs, mess, not put things in the bin. And when things need a wipe or a tidy you get an exec woman leaping up to do it while the men just all sit around. It just doesn't occur to them, it's not on their radar, it's not "their job".

Anyway sorry essay there!

I'm currently on holiday, so I have been using lots of public loos in museums and cafes and so on. Some of these have been unisex, of the type which are totally enclosed, loo and basin, floor to ceiling walls and doors, and they're fine - plus must make more sense for small cafes with limited space. I haven't seen any with shared sinks, but I'd be less comfortable with those.