Wokeus Dei

[Glinner]

Irish gender critical women! Can you tell me your stories of anti-feminist types who glommed on to the Repeal The 8th movement? Someone sent me this story and I feel there are a lot more out there.

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Yes, but I wasn't slammed. I was involved in Repeal and at the celebration evening I realised that Trans rights was the next movement these people wanted to be involved in (and I did not) so sadly, I disengaged from the repeal movement.

I also find it so sad that Irish women, who are just and I mean just, getting some rights of our own, and our own awful treatment listed to, apologised for, and acknowledged, have now got to stand aside, yet again, for men.

Its funny but when I saw this headline, I thought, gosh, I didn't know they had Opus Dei in England!!! I should have known. I love it.

Oh God, that's awful, poor woman

Nothing on a par with that but it doesn't surprise me based on the signs I did see. My experience was more like Annasgirl's.

What I noticed during Repeal was an increasing number of references (on SM) to "pregnant people", and to "out sister transwomen" and tbh I paid very little attention (aside from eye-rolling at "pregnant people") but I noticed more "rules" appearing on FB sites but I'd no real idea where it was coming from and it wasn't on my radar. I was focused on the 8th and tbh knew nothing about TRAs at the time. Once the referendum was over there seemed to be more and I remember in particular Aidan Comerford did the most batshit woke piece on his FB page. I had looked to SM for support when Repeal seemed impossible and was never a prolific poster so just left groups which I no longer felt any connection to. As a 50+ year old I was already on thin ice in some groups where it was tiring to hear how "old people" (apparently anyone over 50 and over 40 on a bad day) were the root of all evil anyway. The one Repeal related FB group I'm still on I don't see discussion of TRA but I do see some posters with the baby pink/baby blue flag flying in their profile (could they have chosen anything more gender stereotyped?) so I guess I know where they stand.

From the small amount of discussion I've seen on a board largely peopled by older mums, there's a lot of instinctive GC reaction. And real surprise amongst women (myself included) who would normally be up to date with social legislation but knew nothing about the legislation that seemed to just creep into being here without any discussion. Similarly it seems to have crept into Irish "feminism". I read Emily Pine's Notes to Self recently and everything she seemed to be saying about being a woman and a feminist fell apart when she casually described herself as a "cis woman". Same with the casual use of term in newspaper articles. There seems to be no questioning, like sheep to the woke slaughter.

Wokeus Dei. Perfect.

Yes @3timeslucky I was the same when I read the Guilty Feminist - I left after page 1.

I had to unsubscribe from the ARC newsletter and wouldn't donate because of their 'pregnant people' stance. I contacted them and let them know the reason. It was obvious that this was coming down the line.

The thing is not much has happened since the GRA was passed in 2015 - we don't seem to be seeing as many TWs misbehaving and so Ireland is held up as a shining example of how we can all just get along and the Wokeratti can slap themselves on the back. But I am seeing more and more pushing of the agenda in my field which is really worrying me - especially in relation to teenage girls transitioning.

Giving this a bit of a bump because 'Wokeus Dei' made me properly laugh.

I lived in Ireland for a few years and I’ve been disappointed to see former acquaintances seemingly adopt an unquestioning, knee-jerk woke response to this issue. I’m also surprised, because, given their line of work, I thought they would have been more sceptical.

Some relevent threads:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3211569-Trans-Voices-for-Repeal-the-8th-something-smells-funny-here

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3260503-Trans-Voices-For-Appeal-Complain-About-Together-For-Yes-Campaign

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3265165-Well-it-s-happened-the-trans-activists-have-waded-into-the-8th-amendment-issue-in-Ireland

Bumping.

Not in Ireland but recently I saw an online post “many people need cervical scans and they’re important to have, especially for trans men...”

Some members of Wokeus Dei here:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/harris-to-meet-transgender-activists-after-health-department-sit-in-xqqmtgshs?shareToken=9a99de6d2984c47ba9e537d3f506b5a8

Is this being covered by the Irish press at all? I'm not sure if it is a good thing or a bad thing if it isn't.

I'm so disappointed that the WHO has made it out to not be a mental health issue. Regardless of what anyone believes, I think a person needs a psychiatric assessment in order to take hormones to irreplaceably change their body and to cut out a piece of it. You should at a minimum need counselling but I think it is better to say psychiatric assessment as there are so many quacks out there who call themselves counsellors.

I agree with you Annasgirl. And when you listen to the likes of Pique Resilience talk about the pressures they felt and for at least some of them the mental health issues they were dealing with in parallel with adolescence I can't but question whether mental health is a significant factor (for at least some %). The value of in-depth exploration of what's at the heart of the child (or adult)'s sense of disconnect from their biological sex also comes across in this: www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=0tF0Mykerjw&t=3000s (I realise she is a counselor afaik)

@glinner
I know you erased some bits but that would be identifying to anyone who knew the person I think. Do you have her permission to repost?

Glinner came to FWR specifically seeking to make contact with the poster to discuss the possibility of sharing
He has said on twitter that he has been in contact & does have permission to repost.

Guyliner - yes he did, he went to some trouble to find her.

@anotherlass @r0wantrees

Ah OK, that's good. I'm not a twitter person.

He first came onto FWR to try to make contact with her.
Im sure the thread is easily located

Its a direct message so obviously important to seek permission.

Wokeus dei getting their pitchforks into John Boyne on twitter mobile.twitter.com/john_boyne/status/1116964210834063360

I don't like the way Boyne tries to deflect criticism by attacking Glinner though. Clearly it didn't work.

He'll soon learn that a la carte Wokelism is not acceptable. Anything less than total capitulation is seen as heresy and must be stamped out.

Boyne's book is awful :-(

Nobody cares about cis people's opinions on the word cis. Especially not ones who write books about trans people that misgender in the title. Getting real tired of books with titles like "How My Husband Became a Woman" and shit.

That twitter thread is hilarious.

So are women meant to pretend they had wives all alomg even though they legally agreed to take that man as their husband?

I am mildly amused by the outrage about the book's title, though. I have many issues with the story (for example, the moment when Jessica explains to the narrator, who is Jessica's younger brother, that Jessica still fancies girls, and so when/if Jessica, who has no plans for surgery, gets a girlfriend, that girlfriend will have to be "very understanding") - but it didn't occur to me that the title would be so triggering!

Can someone please answer the idiots asking if we have a problem with the word heterosexual.

I am heterosexual.

I do not identify with gender.

Even if it meant "not trans" you can't expect anyone to identify as what they are not.