Unreported rapes and low conviction rates in Nordic countries

[nettie434]

Interview on Woman’s Hour now with researcher pointing out that conviction rates for rape are low in Nordic countries and that there are many unreported rapes. Did think things would be better there but was clearly naive:

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0003rlk

It’s the first item when it comes up on sounds or listen again.

There is a culture of not bothering to report rape or sex assault both here and in Nordic countries because we know fuck all is done about it.

I remember reading about rape in Sweden and how the vast majority of sexual crime in Sweden is committed by men who are not Swedish.

www.gatestoneinstitute.org/13332/sweden-rapes-police

It creates a real conflict in liberal left ideology when one group of people who are seen to be marginalised/oppressed are found to be committing crimes specifically against another protected group. Women and girls consistently come last in the "pecking order".

It also goes, in my mind, some way to explaining why these countries with some of the best legislation around women’s equality ( according to UN) do not see greater numbers of women in STEM. Their laws may be up to date but their societies respect for wome is below par.

Im in Denmark. The law on rape isnt based on consent. Its only rape if violence is used.

Or threats of violence. Or if you are not in a position to oppose.

Thanks midgebabe, redexpat & DpWm for the extra information. I naively assumed things would be better there

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I remember reading about rape in Sweden and how the vast majority of sexual crime in Sweden is committed by men who are not Swedish

Citation?

"It also goes, in my mind, some way to explaining why these countries with some of the best legislation around women’s equality ( according to UN) do not see greater numbers of women in STEM."

How so? Many countries which have much worse legislations and attitudes towards women's equality have gender ratios in STEM that are near to 50:50.

My theory is that school teachers, who are predominantly female, tend to respond more approvingly to girls and rate their abilities more highly. This means that girls tend to rate themselves more highly in subjectively marked subjects (arts, languages, humanities), where the teacher's judgement is the most important factor in how a student is rated. In contrast, boys rate themselves more highly in objectively marked subjects (STEM subjects) where the marking criteria is not much affected by the teacher's judgement. This then leads girls to choose non-STEM degrees and boys to choose STEM degrees.

The exceptions are:
a. Girls from non-white minority backgrounds, who favour objective subjects due to discrimination from white female teachers (this explains why most British women studying STEM PhDs in the UK are non-white).
b. Boys who attended all-boys schools, who did not experience gendered discrimination by female teachers and therefore are much more likely to choose to study non-STEM subjects than boys at mixed schools.

Just check the numbers. ALL of the numbers agree with my theory.

I'm sure this thread was started in good faith, but the link it uses is about hair loss and the first poster's referenced a peculiar fascist website.

I'm sure there's a sensible explanation. OP?

There is a sensible explanation for the first link, @woman19. The link is to Woman's Hour, on which many topics were discussed. The issue of rape reporting in Nordic countries was one item amongst many. It is listed in the brief summary underneath but not in the headline description.

For information, the link is about hair loss, but it's about the inequity of rape law.

And how rape laws are as bad or worse in britain, even now.

It refers to ECHR standards of justice in rape law which British women will be losing after the brexit crash out in a few days time.

The link is to a magazine radio programme which discusses many totally different and separate topics. The OP is referring to the section where they are discussing this topic of rape in Nordic countries. It's the first topic discussed on the programme, if you listen to it.

Thanks Assassinatedbeauty - much appreciated. Woman19 the link is to the programme which last 45 minutes. The first item was about rape in Nordic countries. I did mention in the original post that it was the first item.

Quick someone pull the racist card out.Shut the conversation down fast.

Thanks nettie
Interesting programme.

Britain has the highest rape rates in the EU.

Relative to the population of each country, police in England and Wales recorded the highest number of violent sexual offences per hundred thousand inhabitants in 2015 (130), followed by Sweden (120) and Belgium (nearly 66)

www.euronews.com/2017/11/24/which-eu-countries-have-the-highest-rate-of-sex-crimes-

"the victim reacts passively”.
mitigation in Swedish law is comparable to our british 'consent' element of rape law which in practice carry similar barriers to convictions of the perpetrators.

Without ECHR rulings, from Friday after a brexit crash out, british women, will have little or no protection in law.

Oh I see someone already has.

Quick someone pull the racist card out
Reference?

Still waiting for a citation from DpWm

Along with dragging Brexit back on the agenda again.
Are you George Soros Woman19 ?

I don't understand your question Shines.

You seem to be very against leaving the EU and suddenly jump on this thread to poo poo any idea of the growing rape culture in countries that have had an increase in immigration.
So quick let’s shut the conversation down.

Do you think that 'rape culture has to do with immigration?" shines

Is there a Trump visit I should know about?

This doesn't seem to be a feminist thread at all.

Toodle pip.

Yep let’s shut the conversation down,play the racist card.

Goodnight Mr Shine.

DpWm - There is a culture of not bothering to report rape or sex assault both here and in Nordic countries because we know fuck all is done about it.

This is the crux of it.
I remember how Scandinavian countries were lauded in the 90's for the huge reduction in sex crimes and how that was related to the relaxation of their "sex industry" legislation. No-one mentioned how difficult simultaneous legislation had made it for women and girls to even report sexual violence....

Goodnight Mr Woman.

www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45269764

There you are woman19, from that bastion of far-right hatemongering, the BBC. Note the stats only record foreign-born (not second generation) and 58% is still an extraordinarily high figure. Norway is the same.

It's like the post Cologne attacks debacle; you really see how unimportant women are in the grand scheme of things.