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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Biosex affirmative children's books

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NotAJellyBaby · 30/03/2019 14:00

Not sure what else to call it - basically books which say that you can like whatever you like and still be a girl/ boy. Books for kids as young as 3 are being published at an alarming rate encoraging kids to doubt their biological sex. I want to collate a master list of books for young children with present the alternative. Sadly, they are few and far between. Here's what I've found, please add more!

Pink is for boys

www.amazon.co.uk/Pink-Boys-Eda-Kaban/dp/0762462477/ref=sr_1_1?s=gateway&crid=24193442VGJPY&keywords=pink+is+for+boys&sprefix=pink+is+f%2Caps%2C152&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&qid=1553952399&sr=8-1

(received reviews such as "I bought this book with high hopes, and while it delivers on featuring diverse characters it relies very heavily on a boy or girl frame. If you want to offer your children more than 2 gender options, this is not the book that will do it.")

Julian is a mermaid

www.amazon.co.uk/Julian-Mermaid-Jessica-Love/dp/1406386421/ref=pd_sbs_14_1/258-9722745-9587464?psc=1&pf_rd_p=18edf98b-139a-41ee-bb40-d725dd59d1d3&_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_wg=kEaW0&pf_rd_r=Y9MK4MBSTNSNBK3ZNJQ2&pd_rd_i=1406386421&pd_rd_w=M7pXR&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&refRID=Y9MK4MBSTNSNBK3ZNJQ2&pd_rd_r=75eae36a-52ef-11e9-aaac-1b9af162ec26

One review tries to call Julian "gender fluid" but the book clearly describes him as a boy who dresses up in "feminine" clothes and should be accepted just as HE is.

My princess boy

www.amazon.co.uk/My-Princess-Boy-Cheryl-Kilodavis/dp/1442429887/ref=pd_sbs_14_30?psc=1&pf_rd_p=18edf98b-139a-41ee-bb40-d725dd59d1d3&_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_wg=3ab59&pf_rd_r=K3MAC7M5X238KVJJF4WJ&pd_rd_i=1442429887&pd_rd_w=T1zwl&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&refRID=K3MAC7M5X238KVJJF4WJ&pd_rd_r=d59c916e-52ef-11e9-8669-1d4b023142e4

I hate hate hate the title, but the message seems positive, i.e "princess" boys are still boys. Has a review that I think is gender critical but honestly these issues have got everyone so bloody confused that it's hard to tell.

"Girls shouldn’t be raised like little princesses, all frilly pink dresses and dolls as this can lead to being treated in a less serious way and often having less fun than boys. However if you are born a boy and want to identify as a girl then how do you do it - it seems by dressing in frilly pink dresses and playing with dolls. How do these two types of behaviour co-exist in a sensible world?! This book is good because it introduces the idea of differing people."

The "all about Clive", "Clive's jobs", and "all about Rosa" books.

www.amazon.co.uk/Clive-Nurse-Clives-Jessica-Spanyol/dp/1846439914/ref=sr_1_1?s=gateway&crid=YBHIOKNBKUJQ&keywords=clives+jobs&sprefix=clives+%2Cstripbooks%2C154&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&qid=1553953454&sr=8-1

These books don't mention sex, gender, identity, or any other political buzz words; they don't centre around a story in which a child is initially marked as different but then we learn that that's OK; they just describe two children, clearly marked as male/ female, going about their day without conforming to sex based stereotypes.

Frida Kahlo

www.amazon.co.uk/Frida-Kahlo-Little-People-Dreams/dp/1847807704/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&crid=2OAJH1WSU0V1P&keywords=frida+kahlo&sprefix=frid%2Cstripbooks%2C156&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&qid=1553953809&sr=1-2

I know there have been attempts to "transwash" Frida out of history, but this book clearly presents her as a woman who liked to dress however she pleased. In fact, the whole "little people big dreams" series is like that as far as I know.

David Bowie

www.amazon.co.uk/David-Bowie-Little-People-DREAMS/dp/178603803X/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_1?s=books&crid=7NGSU3QMFFZ5&keywords=david+bowie+little+people+big+dreams&sprefix=david+bowie+lit%2Cstripbooks%2C148&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&qid=1553954024&sr=1-1-fkmrnull

As above.

Amazing you: Getting smart about your private parts

www.amazon.co.uk/Amazing-You-Getting-Smart-Private/dp/0142410586/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&crid=2IOBONKGOBYIO&keywords=amazing+you+getting+smart+about+your+private+parts&sprefix=amazing+you%2Cstripbooks%2C150&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&qid=1553954114&sr=1-1

From the description: "Here is a picture book designed especially for young children who are becoming aware of their bodies, but aren't ready to learn about sexual intercourse. Amazing You! presents clear and age-appropriate information about reproduction, birth, and the difference between girls and boys bodies."

In this book, girls do not have dicks.

I imagine that most "facts of life" books will be based on sex as an immutable binary, but this one seems really nice for young children.

Anyway, that's all I've got for now. Please add your own (maybe we should even think about trying to write our own!)

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MountainWitch · 30/03/2019 14:17

The 'Let's Talk' books about bodies and reproduction are brilliant.

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NotAJellyBaby · 30/03/2019 14:32

Maybe if we get enough books together PeachYoghurt can add a "GC library" resource to her resources for parents section on Transgender Trend

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teyem · 30/03/2019 14:37

How about The Turbulent Term of Tyke Tyler? Is that too old and uncool, now?

teyem · 30/03/2019 14:46

Oh, it's 'Tiler' not Tyler. It's just a sweet novel about a kid who gets up to mischief and the reader assumes that the kid is male simply because of how Tyke behaves but at the end you learn Tyke is female and it challenges your assumptions without any gender anguish at all.

blockedbywho · 30/03/2019 14:53

Ah, I was thinking about this the other week, I came across a picture book at the library, I can't remember it's name but it was about a little hippo who didn't want to be a hippo because all the other animals were much cooler. Anyway, it tries to be the other animals in the book, but they all tell it that it can't be, for example, a bird, because it doesn't have wings, no matter how much it wants to be. In the end, it realises that it is happy to stay as a hippo and it's okay to be happy with the way you were born. I will try and find out the name of it.

T1meForDebate · 30/03/2019 15:00

Would books like Malcolm Saville's Lone Pine and Arthur Ransome's Swallows and Amazons series fit? Groups of boys and girls riding bikes, sailing boats, riding horses, solving crime, telling stories, having adventures, building relationships ... Old fashioned and I love them.

T1meForDebate · 30/03/2019 15:01

Ok a girl called Titty might not fit today 😅

MNSDKHheroines · 30/03/2019 17:08

Girls can do anything - Hart
Firehouse 1 - Fire at the bakery
Mrs Plug the Plumber - Ahlberg

MNSDKHheroines · 30/03/2019 17:22

Women is sport - 50 fearless athletes
I particularly love the story of Tiny the first woman to parachute from a plane & goes on to advise the military.

OhHolyJesus · 30/03/2019 17:58

Love this OP, been looking for exactly this sort of thing after I saw some of the books being mentioned in the Drag Queen Story Time links which basically gave a me a list of what to avoid.

The Hippo books sounds good too PP, will follow and note the titles as we go. Great idea for a thread, thanks!

newtlover · 30/03/2019 18:17

great idea for a thread OP
BUT- warning re Getting Smart about your private parts
according to the top negative review on amazon, all the illustrations of penises show circumcised penises, this would make it a complete no-no for me. OK if it showed one, for contrast and reassurance of circumcised boys but not as the norm!

Moonsick · 30/03/2019 19:09

William’s Doll is a 1970s classic that gets constantly reprinted.

MsTiggywinkletoyou · 30/03/2019 19:28

Swallows and Amazons changed Titty's name a couple of years ago. IDK what they did about Roger the Cabinboy, though. Hmm The eldest Amazon girl was known to the visiting Swallows as Captain Nancy: her mother had named her Ruth, but her uncle told her pirates were ruthless. (Are we allowed to deadname fictional characters?)
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/23/family-of-swallows-and-amazons-titty--furious-as-bbc-film-change/

There are Enid Blyton's Famous Five books, with George as the classic scowling gender-non-conforming girl. I believe those publishers have changed a lot of language too, about not playing with common children, and breaking into suspicious houses by sliding down the coal chute and landing in a pile of coke.

NotAJellyBaby · 30/03/2019 20:04

Thanks for the suggestions everyone! Will try and collect as many titles as possible then organise them by age. Until then:

The Turbulent Term of Tyke Tiler

www.amazon.co.uk/Turbulent-Term-Tyke-Tiler/dp/0571313914/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&crid=2PXZJ1I0I3YAE&keywords=tyke+tiler&sprefix=tyke+til%2Cstripbooks%2C167&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&qid=1553974979&sr=1-1

The Lone Pine Series

www.amazon.co.uk/l/B001KMKSBS?shoppingPortalEnabled=true&encoding=UTF8&rfkd=1&ref=dp_byline_cont_book_1&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&redirectedFromKindleDbs=true

Swallows and Amazons

www.amazon.co.uk/Swallows-Amazons-Vintage-Childrens-Classics/dp/0099572796/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&crid=21AZHU68HQMV1&keywords=swallows+and+amazons&sprefix=swallows+a%2Cstripbooks%2C162&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&qid=1553975521&sr=1-1

Girls can do anything

www.amazon.co.uk/Girls-Can-Anything-Caryl-Hart/dp/1407177389/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&crid=3CF0632D0H48Y&keywords=girls+can+do+anything+book&sprefix=girls+can+d%2Cstripbooks%2C151&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&qid=1553975565&sr=1-1

ABC what can she be

www.amazon.co.uk/ABC-Me-What-Girls-anything/dp/1633226247/ref=pd_sbs_14_6/258-9722745-9587464?psc=1&pf_rd_p=18edf98b-139a-41ee-bb40-d725dd59d1d3&_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_wg=fJpL7&pf_rd_r=H9DXT3VMB8DETC67JNJ0&pd_rd_i=1633226247&pd_rd_w=qqmuD&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&refRID=H9DXT3VMB8DETC67JNJ0&pd_rd_r=68234cbf-5325-11e9-97a2-5b84abf1db59

William's doll

www.amazon.co.uk/Williams-Trophy-Picture-Books-Paperback/dp/0064430677/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&keywords=williams+doll&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&qid=1553975735&sr=1-1

Firehouse 1 - fire at the bakery

www.amazon.co.uk/Firehouse-Fire-Bakery-Sadhna-Sheli/dp/0692877614/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_1?s=books&keywords=Firehouse+1+fire+at+the+bakery&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&qid=1553975815&sr=1-1-fkmrnull

Mrs Plug the Plumber

www.amazon.co.uk/Mrs-Plug-Plumber-Happy-Families/dp/0140312382/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&crid=U306C9V4HWP7&keywords=mrs+plug+the+plumber&sprefix=Mrs+plug+th%2Cstripbooks%2C187&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&qid=1553975884&sr=1-1

Women in science/ sport/ art

www.amazon.co.uk/Women-science-sport-books-collection/dp/9123654910/ref=la_B01BZFB9XK_1_10?s=books&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&ie=UTF8&qid=1553975998&sr=1-10

www.amazon.co.uk/Women-Art-Fearless-Creatives-Inspired/dp/0399580433/ref=la_B01BZFB9XK_1_5?s=books&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&ie=UTF8&qid=1553975998&sr=1-5

Great Women who changed the world/ made history

www.amazon.co.uk/Fantastically-Great-Women-Changed-World/dp/1408876981/ref=pd_cp_14_3/258-9722745-9587464?psc=1&pf_rd_p=01704ebe-a86a-4b47-8c36-0f9f5bbc2882&_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_wg=bWB4b&pf_rd_r=FFCE3Q71MGMDWYRE4E8B&pd_rd_i=1408876981&pd_rd_w=nF36T&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&refRID=FFCE3Q71MGMDWYRE4E8B&pd_rd_r=7b0f8d0d-5326-11e9-8cd2-11f543553a5f

www.amazon.co.uk/Fantastically-Great-Women-Made-History/dp/1408878909/ref=pd_cp_14_2/258-9722745-9587464?psc=1&pf_rd_p=01704ebe-a86a-4b47-8c36-0f9f5bbc2882&_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_wg=bWB4b&pf_rd_r=FFCE3Q71MGMDWYRE4E8B&pd_rd_i=1408878909&pd_rd_w=nF36T&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&refRID=FFCE3Q71MGMDWYRE4E8B&pd_rd_r=7b0f8d0d-5326-11e9-8cd2-11f543553a5f

Does anyone know about the "Goodnight stories for rebel girls/ stories for boys who dare to be different series"? I thought I'd read somewhere that they'd drunk the koolaid.

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drspouse · 30/03/2019 20:31

We love the Let's Talk book (we are only on the first one).

Phoebe and Digger

www.amazon.co.uk/Phoebe-Digger-Tricia-Springstubb/dp/0763652814

Imfinehowareyou · 30/03/2019 20:39

The Paper Bag Princess.

CallMeWoman · 30/03/2019 20:43

We need more GC authors writing books for all ages. Teen novels down to picture books. Come on you writers! There is a market for your stories.

NotAJellyBaby · 30/03/2019 20:55

Ballerino Nate

www.amazon.co.uk/Ballerino-Nate-Kimberly-Brubaker-Bradley/dp/0803729545/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_1?s=books&crid=29HY7PGWN1EUG&keywords=ballerino+nate&sprefix=ballarino+n%2Cstripbooks%2C154&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&qid=1553978820&sr=1-1-fkmrnull

This one sounds great - a story about how you can be a boy who does ballet without being "effeminate" (as opposed to the "boys who like to wear dresses" books)

The paperbag princess

www.amazon.co.uk/Paper-Bag-Princess-Classic-Munsch/dp/1773210297/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&crid=2SVKZ64N7W955&keywords=the+paper+bag+princess&sprefix=the+paper%2Cstripbooks%2C156&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&qid=1553979151&sr=1-1

Princess smarty pants

www.amazon.co.uk/Princess-Smartypants-Babette-Cole/dp/0140555269/ref=pd_sbs_14_4/258-9722745-9587464?psc=1&pf_rd_p=18edf98b-139a-41ee-bb40-d725dd59d1d3&_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_wg=Cf7g4&pf_rd_r=2EEKMV7ZFE918D6B9ZNV&pd_rd_i=0140555269&pd_rd_w=rRUIX&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&refRID=2EEKMV7ZFE918D6B9ZNV&pd_rd_r=f9f0b934-532c-11e9-b66c-2357e9d6a74b

Rudolf Nureyev (Little People, BIG DREAMS)

www.amazon.co.uk/Rudolf-Nureyev-Little-People-DREAMS/dp/1786033364/ref=pd_sbs_14_6/258-9722745-9587464?psc=1&pf_rd_p=18edf98b-139a-41ee-bb40-d725dd59d1d3&_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_wg=Cf7g4&pf_rd_r=2EEKMV7ZFE918D6B9ZNV&pd_rd_i=1786033364&pd_rd_w=rRUIX&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&refRID=2EEKMV7ZFE918D6B9ZNV&pd_rd_r=f9f0b934-532c-11e9-b66c-2357e9d6a74b

(pre-order only)

Pheobe and digger

www.amazon.co.uk/Phoebe-Digger-Tricia-Springstubb/dp/0763652814/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&keywords=phoebe+and+digger&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&qid=1553979270&sr=1-1

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NotAJellyBaby · 30/03/2019 20:55

CallMeWoman

Yes yes yes. How can we make that happen?

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CallMeWoman · 30/03/2019 20:59

We probably will need our own publishing house, and a private online writers group. I'd love to join one, as an aspiring writer myself! (My previous post was me talking to myself, basically Grin)

We make it ourselves instead of depending on others to provide the platform for us. 'Twas ever thus. 💪

MsTiggywinkletoyou · 30/03/2019 21:00

Thank you NotAJellyBaby!

There are plenty of stories about strong girls who step outside of tight gender restrictions. There's Pippi Longstocking for example, who baffles and entrances the boring normie brother and sister who come to play with her, and stay to admire. Or in another vein entirely, Little Women bears reflection. Jo wants to break away and become a writer.

BlueAndWhiteTunica · 30/03/2019 21:18

For more overt encouragement of critical thinking, including about sex and gender roles, the DK Children's Book of Philosophy is very good.

de Beauvoir has her own page, which notes her position that "there's a difference between being born female, and becoming feminine in order to conform to society's ideas," and a separate section which states the fact that men and women have different bodies, but encourages the reader to consider the "outdated" idea that there are also male and female minds, and asks whether, if men and women seem to behave in different ways, could it be because society expects them to?

SpawnChorus · 30/03/2019 22:01

Does David Walliams' "The Boy in the Dress" meet the criteria?

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