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Cambridge Students' Union Women's Campaign: 'How to Spot T**f Ideology'

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frazzled1 · 30/03/2019 10:32

We strive for an inclusive campaign; all those who self-define as women and non-binary people, including (if they wish) those with gender identities which include ‘woman’, transfeminine people and those who feel that they experience structural misogyny, are members.

The CUSU Women's Campaign wants you to know how to spot a T**f (their use of a MN banned term).

twitter.com/CUSUWO/status/1111597478321811456
Some good comments here.

www.womens.cusu.cam.ac.uk/

Includes a handy reading list, not forgetting MN: (transfeminism and resisting T**F ideology)

All the texts in this list contain discussions of transmisogyny and transphobia, often in addition to colonialism, misogyny, LGBT+phobia - anything particularly graphic etc. has been separately content noted either next to the link or on the linked page.

QUICK READS
Vice - How To Be A Trans Ally broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/kzjnjm/how-to-be-trans-ally-tips
Make No Assumptions (CUSU LGBT+ 2015 trans campaign) - Transphobia & Transmisogyny www.makenoassumptions.org.uk/transphobia
CUSU LGBT+ - The ‘T’ Within LGBT+ www.lgbt.cusu.cam.ac.uk/resources/trans/the-t-within-lgbt/
Make No Assumptions (CUSU LGBT+ 2015 trans campaign) - Glossary www.makenoassumptions.org.uk/glossary
WomCam Feminist FAQ www.womens.cusu.cam.ac.uk/feminist-faq/
Debunking “Trans Women are not Women” Arguments - Julia Serano medium.com/@juliaserano/debunking-trans-women-are-not-women-arguments-85fd5ab0e19c
[CN mentions of sexual violence and abuse, t-slur] What Transmisogyny Looks Like - Tobi Hill-Meyer bilerico.lgbtqnation.com/2009/03/what_transmisogyny_looks_like.php

ARTICLES
No, Transgender Women Like Me Did Not Grow Up With Male Privilege - Allison Gallagher
www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/no-transgender-women-like-me-did-not-grow-up-with-male-privilege-20170314-guxhth.html
Transphobia is a White Supremacist Legacy of Colonialism - Michael Paramo
medium.com/@Michael_Paramo/transphobia-is-a-white-supremacist-legacy-of-colonialism-e50f57240650
The Rise Of Anti-Trans Activism Is Harming Children, Not Helping Them - Emrys Travis www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/the-rise-of-anti-trans-activism-is-harming-children-not-helping-them_uk_5c1900b5e4b02d2cae8d5ecb
Has Mumsnet Become a Hub of Online Transphobia? - Hannah Woodhead
www.huckmag.com/perspectives/opinion-perspectives/mumsnet-transphobia-online/
Why Sex Is Not Binary - Anne Fausto-Sterling
www.nytimes.com/2018/10/25/opinion/sex-biology-binary.html
Nature and Sex Redefined: We Have Never Been Binary - Vanessa Heggie www.theguardian.com/science/the-h-word/2015/feb/19/nature-sex-redefined-we-have-never-been-binary
[CN: t-slur] Towards an Insurrectionary Transfeminism - Anonymous theanarchistlibrary.org/library/anonymous-towards-an-insurrectionary-transfeminism.pdf
[CN: reclaimed lesbophobic, homophobic & misogynistic slurs; graphic body imagery; suicide; childbirth] My Words to Victor Frankenstein Above the Village of Chamounix - Susan Stryker
read.dukeupress.edu/glq/article/1/3/237/69091/My-Words-to-Victor-Frankenstein-Above-the-Village
The Gender Ternary: Understanding Transmisogyny – Lisa Milbank
radtransfem.wordpress.com/2011/12/12/genderternary-transmisogyny/

LONG-READS
Maria Lugones - Heterosexualism and the Modern/Colonial Gender System nycstandswithstandingrock.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/lugones-2007.pdf
[CN: r*pe as a metaphor] THE "EMPIRE" STRIKES BACK: A POSTTRANSSEXUAL MANIFESTO - Sandy Stone webs.ucm.es/info/rqtr/biblioteca/Transexualidad/trans%20manifesto.pdf
B. Binaohan - decolonizing transgender 101 publishbiyuti.org/blog/2014/06/decolonizing-transgender-101/
Julia Serano, collected articles and books www.juliaserano.com/writings.html
Stone Butch Blues - Leslie Feinberg www.lesliefeinberg.net/
Trans: A Memoir - Juliet Jacquesv

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MsTiggywinkletoyou · 30/03/2019 20:53

Thanks Jessica. Really interesting to read about the boys forced into girldom, and the energetic and effective leader who became Mother of the Nation.

CharlieParley · 30/03/2019 21:20

that the sex binary was 'invented' (or something approaching that) in Europe some time between 1660 and 1800

What this really refers to of course, is the emerging anatomical knowledge among European scholars at that time. Unless you agree with the bizarre notion that material things only come into being once we develop the conscious human understanding of those things, this has of course no bearing on the existence both of anatomical differences between the sexes and any extant but unwritten knowledge thereof.

That this argument is employed by those who claim that binary sex is a colonial construct, is typical for the intellectual paucity at the heart of this ideology. That's because they are thereby guilty of the very thing they accuse the colonizers of - centering only and exclusively the Western European understanding of anatomy.

Not only historians will be aware that the Middle Eastern and Asian understanding of the anatomical differences between the two sexes precedes the European one by many centuries.

And even thousands of years ago, and even without exploring human anatomy in writing, ancient cultures had no trouble differentiating between the sexes to decide which one to oppress via a range of laws and social rules.

I mean have these people ever read any ancient writings, like the Old Testament for instance?

merrymouse · 30/03/2019 21:33

And even thousands of years ago, and even without exploring human anatomy in writing, ancient cultures had no trouble differentiating between the sexes to decide which one to oppress via a range of laws and social rules.

It's very strange isn't it. Early humans were apparently intelligent enough to survive various global crises, adapt to environmental extremes and domesticate animals, but were unable to spot which humans might produce babies.

GCAcademic · 30/03/2019 21:48

Pretty sure the Kama sutra demonstrated some basic understanding of the sex binary quite a few years before 1660. Admittedly, I’ve not read the text, so it’s possible there is mention of female penis.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 30/03/2019 22:07

'they are thereby guilty of the very thing they accuse the colonizers of - centering only and exclusively the Western European understanding of anatomy'

So much this.
I find it staggering how readily they will fling around accusations of Eurocentrism and racism - sometimes justified, sometimes not - while failing to do the tiniest bit of self reflection it would take to notice the massive example at the heart of their own ideology.

pombear · 30/03/2019 22:11

My personal take (based on knowing some of these people, so not as hypothetical as it may seem):

Educated people with too much time on their hands to contemplate their own navels without the pressure to think about how their statements impact on people living in more normal, less academic, environments. .

Educated people, many of whom probably didn't feel comfortable during their early teen years (waaay too common an issue with those who end up in the Oxbridge world. Think about it! Lots of highly-intelligent males and females who currently fit even less into the tsunami of 'gender stereotypical' boxes that we're more widely experiencing in society, particularly for females! If you're 'geeky' and academic, whichever sex you are, very often you're placed on the outside of the 'cool groups'. Go to Cambridge, embrace 'non-binary' etc and you've found your 'tribe')

I know many who end up studying in Cambridge who didn't 'fit in' (Not all Cambridge Students - NACS!) during their secondary school years.

Many will be seeking to break out of their 'gender boxes' that they may have felt constricted by in those secondary schools.

So many of the 'geeky boys' and the' 'geeky girls' get to Cambridge and get the opportunity to opine on their experiences and feelings. With the additional 'kudos' of being at Cambridge. And find 'identities' that validate their 'not-a-traditional-female'/'not-a-traditional-male' needs.

The less-conflicted young people who are studying at Cambrdge gravitate towards other clubs and places and get on with getting on at university. Don't really bother with these issues. So noone's challenging them on these ideas.

And those in the LGBTQIA+/'Women's' Groups looking to validate their own experiences of gender stereotypes are left alone to spiral into their own vortex of thinking, without anyone else bothering to challenge their thinking, or help them out of the spiral into the pit.

ChattyLion · 30/03/2019 22:39

How dare they come out with this utter shit at Cambridge University?

Only in recent years have women students and teachers had parity with men at Cambridge in even the most basic of ways.

Only from 1948, were women in Cambridge allowed to fully graduate. That’s only seventy years ago. Despite women studying at Cambridge since the late 19th century.

Then In 1998, fifty years later, the University invited all the women still alive who had ‘graduated’ pre-1948, by being sent a ‘titular degree’ certificate in the post... to a full and proper graduation ceremony.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/125847.stm

www.independent.co.uk/news/at-last-a-degree-of-honour-for-900-cambridge-women-1157056.html

These were women who had done the same academic work as their male peers, had passed the same degrees, but been denied by the University the opportunity to receive a full degree with a ceremony or to wear the relevant graduate academic gown in Cambridge.

And these idiots now at Cambridge think sex is irrelevant?

Lamaha · 31/03/2019 07:41

I mean have these people ever read any ancient writings, like the Old Testament for instance?

The Hindu epic Mahabharata is an example -- the oldest epic in the world. Interestingly, the main story thread is about a transsexual woman. A summary of the story:
A beautiful princess is insulted by the greatest warrior in the world, Bhishma. She tries to get revenge, but fails; so she kills herself vowing to get revenge in her next life (a bit more complicated than that). Reborn a girl, but her father, because of a dream, raises her as a boy. When she is of age, she changes sex through a powerful mantra and becomes a man, but with a memory of the insult and the need for revenge.
Bhishma meanwhile has a divine boon that he cannot be killed until he himself decides to die. Nobody can kill him. During the great war of Kurukshetra, the "goody" side with Krishna, Arjuna and all the favourites is losing because Bhishma is on the baddy side.

Oh yeah, I forgot, the princess (Amba) has received a garland from the God Shiva which has the boon: whoever wears it will cause the death of Bhishma. Long story short, Amba, now in a man's body, has a showdown with Bhishma.

Now, warrior etiquette of the time is taken very seriously, and demands that a warrior cannot fight a woman, But Amba is a man now, right?

Bhishma, however, is very upright. He says that for him, a woman is not only a woman in a woman's body: also, a person born female, or a female in a man's body, is still a woman.

So he lays down his weapons. Amba, together with the great hero Arjuna, shoots the arrow that will kill Bhishma. And so, the goodies win the battle.

Male and female, the sex binary, invented by colonialists... truly we are living in a dystopian novel, that people, Cambridge students no less, should be entertaining such theories.

Tell me, did the colonialists also dictate a sex binary in animals? Did mammals only start mating when the white man came along? The hubris is breathtaking!

DonaldTwain · 31/03/2019 08:33

Someone should be bringing this nonsense to the attention of the heads of the relevant colleges. I get that you’re daft when you’re young, but this shit brings the university into disrepute.

ScipioAfricanus · 31/03/2019 08:54

Some of the men at Magdalene College wore black armbands when women were admitted in 1988. 30 years later, this nonsense. I’m not impressed at the stupidity of women throwing away our rights because they’ve been fooled by men’s rights in woke clothing.

I honestly can’t belive you’d get away with this lack of critical thinking in most disciplines. Maybe in social and political sciences.

Ereshkigal · 31/03/2019 09:37

I’m not impressed at the stupidity of women throwing away our rights because they’ve been fooled by men’s rights in woke clothing.

Quite.

Twooter · 31/03/2019 09:43

Look who’s endorsed her for VP of the students union - none other than Labours own effective women’s officer!

Cambridge Students' Union Women's Campaign: 'How to Spot T**f Ideology'
GraceMarks · 31/03/2019 09:54

The idea that the sex binary was invented some time after 1660 has provided me with considerable amusement, imagining a load of blue-haired genderqueer courtiers hanging around in the Plantagenet castles, getting annoyed when someone uses the wrong pronouns.

merrymouse · 31/03/2019 10:31

I’m not impressed at the stupidity of women throwing away our rights because they’ve been fooled by men’s rights in woke clothing.

I think part of the problem is that it's easy to believe that all the battles have been won when you are in your twenties. Girls do better than boys at school, which often leads them to have better paid first jobs. The gender pay gap doesn't kick in till later. Whatever the ins and outs of applying for university places, it can be assumed that most students at Cambridge have succeeded in obtaining a place on their desired course.

Having babies probably seems like a niche hobby that you only do if you have some kind pram fetish.

merrymouse · 31/03/2019 10:38

I honestly can’t belive you’d get away with this lack of critical thinking in most disciplines.

Undergraduates are not coming up with these theories by themselves. They are being taught that sex is a concept invented by the British empire.

AdultHuman · 31/03/2019 10:39

I suspect being a personality disordered blue haired privileged individual is the problem here.

GoulashSoup · 31/03/2019 10:50

Only in recent years have women students and teachers had parity with men at Cambridge in even the most basic of ways

The pay gap at Cambridge is 19.6%. There is still a long way to go before parity is achieved and sex is still very relevant.

I appreciate that the pay gap is influenced by all sorts of societal issues too, but 19.6% is above national average so there are Cambridge specific issues too.

hipsterfun · 31/03/2019 11:06

The brightest and the best!

BadPennyNoBiscuit · 31/03/2019 11:16

Terf is a Slur has produced their own version.

www.facebook.com/terfisaslur/

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 31/03/2019 11:20

'The pay gap at Cambridge is 19.6%. There is still a long way to go before parity is achieved and sex is still very relevant.'

Very true, but you don't notice that when you're a student.
A friend of mine recently went to a career talk by someone who had held what had looked to us like a senior role in our college when we were students. It turned out that when she looked very Important and Successful to us she had actually been scraping by, hanging onto her career by the skin of her teeth as male colleagues shot ahead. From where we were standing it all looked very fine and equal.

Ereshkigal · 31/03/2019 11:23

That's great, BadPenny.

KatvonHostileExtremist · 31/03/2019 11:23

There's huge overwhelming evidence that the ancients knew there was just two sexes. Starting with the 4000 year old Epic of Gilgamesh (I think the oldest story). The woman (prostitute....) who's sent to tempt / civilise Enkidu is female. He's a male. She's a female. There are two sexes. There has always been two sexes. This is how mammals procreate.

Ancient religious systems are binary. Aren't they? I'm trying to think of exceptions amongst the gods and goddesses.
Although to be fair Thor dresses up as female to steal his axe back from the ice giants. Much Viking sniggering ensues....

They'll probably argue that the female who had sex with Enkidu could have had a lady dick, but somehow i think not.

Grin

KatvonHostileExtremist · 31/03/2019 11:24

Sorry.

This is just all so insane

Ereshkigal · 31/03/2019 11:26

It's just inane pomo revisionism.

AdultHuman · 31/03/2019 11:33

PoMo/Queer theory attempts to change society as has happened in the past.

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b097f5fj/reformation-europes-holy-war