New Joan thread on the vile abuse she's received

[WinnieHug]

I've just seen a new thread from Joan McAlpine MSP about abuse she's received. She's calling on Scottish Trans Alliance to condemn it.

twitter.com/JoanMcAlpine/status/1111706790130040834

Blimey! What truly horrible views these people have.

Joan, should you be pointed this way both for the horrible abuse you're being subjected to and even more so for your tireless efforts to stand up for women's rights.

They have no argument. All they have is bullying and abuse. The more people that see it, the sooner this shit show is over.

They seem to feel they’re victims...

twitter.com/piroburgher/status/1111395576388730880?s=21

This thread is quite something.

Goodness me, Prion, that thread. It plummets playing the victim to a whole new level, in fact to nadirs I could never have imagined only five minutes ago, and I've just been reading Rachel McKinnon's Twitter.

I enjoyed this exchange:

Oh but of course, it's not as if trans women are murdered all the time, just for being trans, is it?

No they're not. Murder rate of trans people in the UK is lower than the average. Isn't that good!

It was the chirpy little "Isn't that good!" annotation that did it for me I think. Of course no response was received (the second person is factually correct, for the benefit of anyone unaware. )

Woah - that thread. They abuse a woman, a politician, and then cry when she publishes that abuse? Unreal.

They really need to grow up and stop with the narcissistic tantrums. My dog has more emotional intelligence than them.

The call outs to TRAs is funny. "HBomberguy, help, I've abused a woman on twitter and she retweeted it."

They do realise twitter is public right?

And now one of the misogynists is saying that we here on MN are trying to doxx her. Because obvs Mumsnet is a hotbed of nasty violent fascists. Or something.

Except I don't see any attempts to doxx those misogynists here. If they wish to hide behind avatars and false made-up names on Twitter, who are we to argue with that?

And I suppose a Tweet about Ms McAlpine tagging a whole lot of SNP MSPs asking them to sack Joan McAlpine is nooooothing like doxxing, is it?

Why do so many of these younger transwomen and trans-identified males feel so strongly that they are women, but seem to hate the very thing that they identify as?

Do they all blame their mothers or something and thus hate the very thought of Mumsnet?

Why don't they talk to actual women about how to be accepted as the thing they obviously deeply wish to be? And why don't they talk to actual men about how to be accepted for being "feminine" men?

After all, women have been fighting for their liberation from restrictive & oppressive gender stereotypes & gender roles for at least 200 years. It's not been easy, but we didn't do it by calling each other "trash".

all because I just want to live in a world where I'm not subjected to your Orwellian policies.

Always the reversals.

I think a central part of what TRAs do is to change the everyday meanings of words, Cat. Of course docx really means "to reveal the RL identity behind someone's online pseudonym, generally with malicious intent (putting their life, physical safety or livelihood at risk)."

TRAs seem to have twisted this to mean "exposing our words to a wider audience than the immediate circle of devotees we intended them for, so the world can see how truly barking and in many instances violently misogynistic we are, even though no attempt is made to undermine our anonymity, and even though we were stupid enough to publish them in a public platform so no violation of privacy took place."

Always remember it's Humpty Dumpty land with TRAs: words mean what they want them to mean.

I'm trans and I'm a lesbian, prove me wrong

You've got a dick mate.

The level of delusion would be funny if it wasn’t so fucked up.

YY Lizzie.

You've got a dick mate.

Absolutely Lizzie. And not just fucked up, but filled with rage that looks very much as if it is accompanied by violent intent. If it continues unabated, allowed to stand due to over-tolerance, it will spill over at some point and it’s women who will be in the firing line.

I hope Joan, and all other women bearing the brunt of this onslaught remain safe.

I am no fan of the SNP but Joan MacAlpine is is my hero. I’ve heard her on radio speaking and she’s very considered.

Wow, that thread is just unbelievable. The lengths these people will go to to try and twist things!

I abused a woman and she told people and I'm like soooooo attacked!

It's classic abuser tactics though isn't it? Make yourself look like the victim. I said on another thread that I am very lucky to have not suffered manipulative abuse at the hands of a man, but it is actually kind of strange to see it so textbook and clearly in these situations. Like, people will actually do this.

It's becoming more clear that so many people are using the trans movement to be able to abuse women in a 'legitimate' way. Luckily, as the thread shows, everyone can see that person for what they are.

This is so true as well:
TRAs seem to have twisted this to mean "exposing our words to a wider audience than the immediate circle of devotees we intended them for, so the world can see how truly barking and in many instances violently misogynistic we are, even though no attempt is made to undermine our anonymity, and even though we were stupid enough to publish them in a public platform so no violation of privacy took place."

JMc hits the spot when she showed that the perpetrators of the abuse hold 'political' positions themselves.

They are elected officials of the NUS
They claim to represent and speak for trans people
They are committeee members involved in organisations and events that are paid for by the taxpayer.

As such, they have to answer questions and should be able to handle scrutiny. You can't hold offices and positions without explaining your decisions and actions, otherwise it's an abuse of power.

Welcome to the world of grown-ups where 'representatives' and NUS officials are accountable - just like JMc herself. She's a great role model.

They act like it's impossible to avoid calling a woman trash.

Article in todays Scotsman
www.scotsman.com/news/politics/joan-mcalpine-receives-online-abuse-for-remarks-on-sex-and-gender-1-4899004

In the original thread, did Scottish Trans Alliance interact with Joan McAlpine about the abuse? I saw them replying to other people but couldn't see them directly engaging with her at all. I did get stuck in a thread loop though so it is possible I missed it.

In the original thread, did Scottish Trans Alliance interact with Joan McAlpine about the abuse?
They made a statement she commented on:
"The two people who sent these tweets, and posted statements justifying violence against women, Mulreany and Douglas, are associated with you and with Transpride Scotland. Here they are in a ScottishTrans video together".
As a sort of reply/statement, STA re-tweeted their original Tweet she was commenting on with this:
"There is an argument raging on twitter at present which we have been tagged in to. To be clear, none of the people involved is working or volunteering for us, and none speaks on our behalf."
The duo shouting "Trash" replied sarcastically to this :
Bee Mar 29 Replying to ScottishTrans
"Wow STA much support :/".
Aradian Nights/Piro Mar 29 Retweeted Scottish Trans
"Wow. Thanks for the solidarity".
The latter had made an earlier call to arms -which was ignored by all they tagged (as far as I could see) & then went on to lambaste Stonewall. They also seem to think it is "doxxing" to use names/voluntary jobs they post on own Twitter account/FB page/Linkedin/Youtube videos when discussing inflammatory comments they made to a female MSP, so many of us respect, in public domain.
They could always get a job in Sales/Spin as added 200 onto the 300 at TP event as, looking at all the Tweets I've read, it seems unlikely they will have a career in nursing (if they complete/d their qualification).
Expect that will be portrayed as women's fault too .

Is this not considered illegal harrassment, slander, or similar? Isn't there enough there for the police to be involved?

It is classic male.abusers tactics

Thank god Joan is calling this out and demanding accountability. She is to be admired for using her public profile. So bloody few do. It's brave. And revealing.

That rather aggressive person is claiming that we, MN, are doxxing many transwomen. Gained sooooooo much traction too!

twitter.com/PiroBurgher/status/1111681604186005504