Don't question puberty blockers.

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Don't you dare question puberty blockers!

www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/fp/seven-children-under-16-in-dundee-taking-drugs-to-delay-puberty-as-they-question-their-gender/?fbclid=IwAR3vGuDT5iEqgIubSVHmzq4yYXpDj4ofOFR76eecnJ17-rp0HYwcMrFhLWk

Councillor Gregor Murray, who identifies as non-binary, said: “Puberty blockers support young trans people through a really tough time in their life – by preventing the mental trauma of going through the wrong puberty.

“They delay making any long-term decisions until the child is old enough to make those decisions for themselves.

“We wouldn’t have a public discussion over the pros and cons of a new cancer drug, or a new cream for acne.

I do find myself alarmed at agreeing with the wee frees on an issue, I was vocal about disagreeing with their opposition of gay marriage and hate their Keep Sunday Special campaigns.

“We wouldn’t have a public discussion over the pros and cons of a new cancer drug, or a new cream for acne.

The thing is we would do exactly that if those drugs caused side effects and complications that potentially outweighed the benefits.

We do if the drugs are untested on children and nobody has followed up on the children on what the long term effects are to these children

It’s a scandal that we are giving kids these drugs Gregor

It doesn’t pause puberty it stops it. Susie greens child did not have enough of a penis having been on the blockers to create an opening

What chance would these kids have to change their minds

Giving drugs to kids because they are confused is a terrible thing to do

Roaccutane.

Any new cancer drug has to go through years of complex, very carefully controlled clinical trials.
Clinical trial protocols have to be thoroughly scrutinised by ethics committees.
The current situation with puberty blockers is about as far from ethics committees and carefully designed and controlled clinical trials as it is possible to be.

Gregory is a fool.

Obviously my phone is English: auto corrected from Gregor to Gregory. Still a fool though.

Isn’t he/they the charmer who called women cunts?

The idea of waiting until you’re older is that you’re more mature and better able to weigh up the consequences of an action. Clearly that isn’t going to be the case if you’re taking powerful drugs that stop your brain from maturing, especially when you’re effectively in a state of stasis while all your peers are growing up and away from you.

Just because a thing can be done, it doesn’t mean it should be done.

It is biologically impossible to go through "the wrong puberty"

Taking cross sex hormones doesn't magically turn a teenage boy into an adult female.

“We wouldn’t have a public discussion over the pros and cons of a new cancer drug, or a new cream for acne.

What do they think robust clinical trials, research studies with post use follow up and discussion of ethics actually are? Followed by NICE recommendations based on consultation with medical professionals in the field complete with a cost effectiveness assessment?

These are, in effect, a public safeguarding discussion to ensure the drug reaches a minimum standard to prevent harm.

Where this discussion does not take place, you automatically get an alternative discussion to ask WHY there hasn't been this proper process. This discussion would typically ask why drugs are being recommended on the basis of lobbying and/or corporate pressure alone. Because this is wholly unethical and exposing vulnerable patients to potential harm.

Its almost as if they don't know what evidence based medicine and safeguarding actually is.

Oh. Wait.

Can anybody explain how these drugs are being prescribed when they're not licensed to be used for the purpose they've been used for?

These drugs are prescribed for other reasons too - premature puberty for instance, I don't know if a freedom of information request will distinguish why they are prescribed. My friends daughter was put on blockers when she started puberty at 7

‘potentially irreversible bodily changes caused by the hormonal treatment’

British Psychology Society

www.bps.org.uk/news-and-policy/systematic-review-puberty-suppressing-drugs-do-not-alleviate-gender-dysphoria

Psychological, I mean!

Use of Puberty Blockers is ‘Institutionalized Child Abuse’

(President of the American College of Pediatricians)

www.faithwire.com/2017/12/14/american-college-of-pediatricians-president-sounds-off-says-use-of-puberty-blockers-is-institutionalized-child-abuse/

Exactly Hereford1! Roaccutane was debated!

“We wouldn’t have a public discussion over the pros and cons of a new cancer drug, or a new cream for acne.

Wuh?

Cancer is an illness. Is being transgender an illness now?

Every time I question puberty blockers in front of my TRA spouse he starts twitching visibly and whining about how he could be so beautiful if he had been given them starting at age 12 and they are totally reversible and its a human rights violation to not give them to 12 year olds who question their gender because irreversible beards growing in twitches uncontrollably until I shut up

EverythingBowl said.

Quick reminder though - the American College of Paediatricians is a right wing pressure group (for all its fancy name) and not to be confused with the reputable professional body (which is the American Association or something along those lines).

OhHolyJesus
Roaccutane was developed for skin cancer but then found to be v effective in treating acne. It can also in rare cases trigger severe depression and has been linked to suicides.
So yes, there has been a lot of debate about that particular treatment for acne, as there is about lots of drugs - why should puberty blockers be any different?

Quick reminder though - the American College of Paediatricians is a right wing pressure group (for all its fancy name) and not to be confused with the reputable professional body (which is the American Association or something along those lines).
Yes, they're a tiny (500 members) pressure group. They're against affirmation for trans teenagers, but that's only because they're anti-everything that isn't hetrosexual and 'normal'. Thus, they're against gay marriage and adoption and advocate conversion therapy for gay teens.
The entirely unintended congruence with one plank of American RW groups is the reason why being GC here is so often interpreted as being right-wing and entirely hostile to trans people - as this article shows. So we should be very careful who we quite and what we link to.

Cancer now?

Well if there was a shiny new cure for anything that actually did so much damage that even Panorama got some research done to show how dangerous and non-researched a pile of bollocks the cure is and then put it on the telly for all to see you might find that cure suddenly wasn't so shiny after all.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3517453-Panorama-25-Feb-20-30hrs-Trans-Kids-Why-Medicine-Matters-Thread-title-edited-by-MNHQ

blogs.bmj.com/bmjebmspotlight/2019/02/25/gender-affirming-hormone-in-children-and-adolescents-evidence-review/
The current evidence base does not support informed decision making and safe practice.

As for being careful who we link to, what utter rot! What matters is the truth will out surely? The importance is the emphasis on who agrees the protection of women and children is worth discussing not whether a total opinion comparison and analysis renders everyone clone like on every subject!

Wasn’t there quite a lot of discussion around one of the SSRI’s causing suicidality in young people? I think it was Seroxat, although it had a different name in the US.

Also thalidomide, diestilbestrol (so? I mean DES), there must be others - there are plenty of examples of where drugs have caused tragic side effects. I mean, even the early contraceptive pill had unacceptable side effects and the hormonal doses had to be lowered.

THreads re Cllr Gregor Murray's outbursts/resignation last year:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3316098-Childrens-Convenor-Elected-Councillor-calls-women-cunts-on-Twitter-rants

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3332582-Trans-councillor-leaves-roles-after-threats-to-life

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3332132-Childrens-Convenor-Gregor-Murray-resigns

When my mum was pregnant with an elder sibling, she was prescribed Thalidomide for morning sickness. Dad read early newspaper reports raising concerns about the drug and potential side effects. He took these to the GP to discuss it with him. On being shown said reports, the GP rose up in fury and shouted ‘How dare you question my authority!’ before Dad was shown the door.

Councillor Murray, we do have public discussions over all sorts of drugs and their effects. Without them, my sibling may have been another child born with severe birth defects. We most certainly SHOULD be having them over puberty blockers.