Caroline's Mail on Sunday Piece is Out

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6843269/How-hate-crime-officers-came-knocking-door-devout-Catholic.html

I think the paper edition may have more, as the online version doesn't appear to have this graphic

From R0wan's article:

"This includes how they felt when a nursery phoned social services claiming a parent was forcing their boy to dress as a girl. After meeting the parents, social services went back to the nursery and told them to revise their policies concerning gender and diversity values".

The nursery stuff needs to be weighed alongside Justice Hayden's report into Child J, who was removed from the custody of his mother. His mother was adamant that J (a boy) was a girl.

www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Fam/2016/2430.html

Justice Hayden states about the role of Social Services:

"Not only are the conclusions of the report irreconcilable with the core information within it but it is striking that the Local Authority had moved into wholesale acceptance that J should be regarded as a girl. Once again, I make no apology for repeating the fact that J was still only 4 years of age. The conclusions of the report speak of J by use of the feminine pronoun. There was no independent or supportive evidence that J identified as a girl at all, indeed there was a body of material that suggested the contrary. The cry for investigation went unheeded".

Jackie Green was unlucky enough to have a homophobic father and a really stupid mother for parents.

The above case that I just posted about was where Mermaids was advising the mother by the way.

Presumably the nursery parents in the other article are similarly advised.

Presumably the nursery parents in the other article are similarly advised.

Is it possible its the same child?
No doubt the 'details' in the article were shared by Susie Green?

I'll just go out on a limb here and say an 18-month old putting on a bra? Didn't happen.

But let's say it did. Let's say she was irresponsible enough to let a child that age have access to something that can easily lead to strangulation injuries. As no 18-month old has any concept of the two sexes and no concept of the associated stereotypes (as with clothing), there would be no significance attached to a child that age preferring mum's clothes. In fact, as most toddlers are closely attached to a primary caregiver at this age, who is mum in most cases, liking mum's things is perfectly natural.

From the article:

"In the quest for knowledge, parents of children with gender identity issues have shared personal experiences with each other".

I'd imagine that these stories come from Mermaids' residential weekends.

Tales around the camp fire, that kind of thing. Parents trying to outdo each other.

Mind you, Susie Green doesn't have a great record on the truth front. So it could all be made up like the suicide statistics anyway.

And yes, I wondered if it was the same child.

Where Social Services unquestioningly affirm that a young child must be the opposite sex if a parent says so, and they then instruct schools and nurseries to play along with that delusion no matter what, then all authorities are missing the very serious bigger picture. Possible neglect, Munchausen's, chronic mental health issues with the parent, drug use by the parent, parental alienation of the other parent, and attention-seeking behaviour by the parent to the detriment of the child.

As they did in the child J case. Social Services deemed that J was a girl and that J's father should have no contact with him.

For a long time until the Family Court became involved.

I'd imagine that these stories come from Mermaids' residential weekends.

Last year Victoria Derbyshire Show had a program promoting Mermaids / Susie Green's viewpoints.

This was filmed at a Mermaids residential event.

BBC Article:
Transgender children: Buying time by delaying puberty
By Jim Reed
Reporter, Victoria Derbyshire programme

(extract)
Jessica's mother and stepfather both said they felt "relieved" for their daughter who was particularly worried about developing facial hair.

"I don't know whether to be happy or sad," said mum Ella.

"I know it's not the end and the effects are reversible. But for me it reaffirmed that this is the end of [my son] James."

"The most important thing to us is the happiness of our child, forcing them to try and be something they're not is not an option. We just want her to be happy, that's all."

So far, her mum, Jen, says, it's been about helping her fit in and dealing with the odd nasty comment from one classmate, who said she would never be a "proper" woman.

"I have to do everything I can as a mother to protect my child - to talk to her so she knows how to deal with those comments - but also to talk to the other child's parents so they can help their child understand," she explains.

"I didn't want that child punishing, I think it's more about them being talked to and helped understand the situation because what he was saying was wrong. She can be a woman and develop as a woman and grow up as a lady if that's what she wants to do."

Lily herself said her friends stood up for her, but she feels "not good, upset," when comments like that are made.

Both girls recently spent the weekend at a camp for trans children and their families, run by the Mermaids charity.

It was attended by around 30 children between the ages of six and 19, who spend time socialising or in workshops on bullying, self-esteem or how to report hate crimes.

The charity keeps the location secret - 17 times in the past six months its founder, Suzie Green, has reported abusive online messages to the police. Eight cases in the past year have been investigated as suspected hate crimes.

"We were being called paedophiles, we were being accused of being child abusers," she says. "In fact they even did a mock-up of a van with puppies and sweets on the side saying that Mermaids are trawling infant schools trying to pick up children to make them trans. It is ridiculous."

More than half young trans people say they have been the victim of hate crime in the last year, according to research from the Stonewall charity." (continues)
www.bbc.com/news/uk-44661079

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3294478-Victoria-Derbyshire-show-today-transgender-children-buying-time-by-delaying-puberty

My brother played dress up with my mum’s clothes when he was a toddler as well. As a toddler he would talk about wanting to grow up to be a “Chinese woman” (we are not Chinese, But his best friend then was Chinese and he also loved Chinese food).

My brother grew up to be a happy, healthy, gay man. I also can point to many happy, healthy, straight men who liked to pull dresses out of the dress up box as toddlers.

If he had had the Greens’ for parents he would have been medicalized and castrated. And the Greens aren’t the only ones (see Jazz Jennings parents etc) who out of a strict adherence to sex stereotypes and homophobia are turning their children into people who will be medically dependent for the rest of their lives, along with teaching them stereotypes are actually ones sex.

It’s horrible. I too wonder where Jackie is in this: not because I think they owe anything to anyone as I think they were abused by their parents, but because why is Suzie Green the “victim” or the complainant in this? Jackie is an adult and surely if the comments were about them they should be ones to complain if they feel necessary?

Just goes to show it’s all about Suzie and always has been.

It’s horrible. I too wonder where Jackie is in this: not because I think they owe anything to anyone as I think they were abused by their parents, but because why is Suzie Green the “victim” or the complainant in this? Jackie is an adult and surely if the comments were about them they should be ones to complain if they feel necessary?

Mermaids Charity released a statement this morning which they claim is based on Jackie Green's wishes.

see thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3541977-Another-Mermaid-statement-about-Good-Morning-Britain-and-Caroline-Farrow