Guardian outdoes itself ...

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www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/22/parents-lgbt-primary-school-lessons

This article is just incredible. To use the recent NZ atrocity date for some blatant muslim berating is bad enough but to do it as a disguise for attacking anyone who dares cross Susie Hurty Feelz Green is just revolting.

Susie, the murdered and their families are more important than you. Show some respect.

Seriously, just when I think the woke couldn't get any worse there is a barrage of anti muslim sentiment being pushed this week of all weeks. The "it's just like gay rights" effort hasn't worked in the past and it won't work now. So so sick of TRAs seeking to undermine and blatantly attacking everyone covered by the equality act.

yeah. Gaby Fucking Hinsliff

I don't know how that woman looks at herself in the mirror

Gaby - that Caroline F is Catholic is a red herring. It's a FACT that human beings can't change sex. That a theist acknowledges that fact really doesn't negate it and doesn't, in anyway, make it akin to creationism or any other non-factual belief. The non-fact here is coming from the trans side - there's not a scrap of factual evidence for sexed brains, being born in the wrong body and so on but this is what is being taught as fact in schools.

Sorry - I'm ranting to the converted, but this is breath-taking - that a journalist can't seem to distinguish between fact and belief.

Is it very bad of me to think every time I see an article by Gaby Hinsliff- "would it have killed you to drag a brush through your hair before that photo was taken?"

She is a terrible writer.

"Yet this recourse to the religious high ground sits uncomfortably with the tone of messages in which Farrow accused Green of “child abuse” for having her child “mutilated” and “castrated” (Jackie Green underwent reassignment surgery, which is only available to adults in Britain, in Thailand aged 16.)"

This is a bit of a fudge isn't it.

Susie Green took her child overseas to have an operation to remove their penis and testicles, because it would have been illegal to do it here.
So brave and stunning.

I dont click on Gaby Hinscliff's articles. She's the woman who victim-blamed the Cologne victims.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/08/cologne-attacks-hard-questions-new-years-eve

Here is the article should anyone have missed it.

I'm an atheist. I believe humans can't change sex.

"But journalists have an obligation to use their platforms responsibly where potentially vulnerable young people are involved".

Susie Green's child is 27 years old.

And it is this constant shackling of the T to the LGB that is damaging the LGB.

There are many parents who will have concerns about schools telling children that they can change sex, when they are totally supportive of the rights of LGBT otherwise.

And if rejecting that single T part of it means rejecting all of the other LGB stuff then a lot of parents will choose to do that.

People have genuine concerns about the likes of Mermaids and other lobby groups going in to schools to tell children that their interests define their sex. And the government is funding this.

The hard line of the likes of Stonewall and other lobby groups (#nodebate) and their position at the centre of government will make more and more groups rise up. That is obvious.

The message to parents is that quiet, rational discussion will get you nowhere as schools and the government simply are not interested in that. So take the hard line. That will be much more effective.

" We’ll probably never know what the police would have made of her expressing them publicly"

Bad luck Gaby and all the other authoritiarian nutcases out there, we don't actually live in a police state. Ulitmately It doesn't matter what the police think, what really matters is what the law says . Susie Green knows this, she can use her connections with the police to harass people, Gaby can cheer her on but one ludicrous case has already been laughed out of court and this one would have been too.

I am not even going to bother to read it, it sounds horrible. More divisive politics really.... this has been a hard week alright.

And interesting that The Guardian article very carefully refers to "Birmingham parents" and "Families from Manchester".

Only once does she refer to Muslims. "What began as a local protest by mainly Muslim parents..."

Refers to "Catholic doctrine" quite happily though. And also refers to Caroline Farrow as a Catholic twice.

The article very neatly illustrates The Guardian's position with regard to the two religions. All religions are not equal. Certainly not in the way that The Guardian writes about them.

This is a bit of a fudge isn't it.

Indeed it is. She thinks that pointing out that someone had their child castrated is morally worse than having your child castrated.

The article very neatly illustrates The Guardian's position with regard to the two religions. All religions are not equal. Certainly not in the way that The Guardian writes about them

I was thinking similar but more along the lines of the twisting that Hinsliff had to do to go from defending what were most likely men of Muslim origin physically attacking and sexually assaulting women ' cos different cultures and allowances must be made- to criticising Muslim parents for simply expressing views she doesn't agree with.

There was one bit I agreed with a belief in creationism shouldn’t dictate the GCSE science curriculum just take the next step that follows - a belief in gender and pink brain/blue brain and jelly babies shouldn’t dictate or change sex based protections.

Indeed it is. She thinks that pointing out that someone had their child castrated is morally worse than having your child castrated.

^ uh huh. Just how did we get here?

uncomfortably with the tone of messages in whichFarrow accusedGreen of “child abuse” for having her child “mutilated” and “castrated” (Jackie Green underwent reassignment surgery, which is only available to adults in Britain, in Thailand aged 16.)

Firstly, I dont give a shit about "tone". Since whrn can we police tone?

Secondly, she fucked up saying it's legal at 16. it WAS legal at 16. Not anymore.

Thirdly, is she now tellng us we as parents dont have any right to decide what sex education our children have because the world is full of porn anyway? Thats a bit galling when papers like the Guardian are so desperate to let us know porn is just fucking fine and we cant seek to control it.

This isn’t just about one faith. Caroline Farrow, a Catholic journalist, this week expressed her shock at being interviewed by police over her tweets about the trans rights activist Susie Green, whose daughter is trans. As a Catholic, Farrow says she simply believes “that a person cannot change sex”. Yet this recourse to the religious high ground sits uncomfortably with the tone of messages in which Farrow accused Green of “child abuse” for having her child “mutilated” and “castrated” (Jackie Green underwent reassignment surgery, which is only available to adults in Britain, in Thailand aged 16.)

Gaby neatly ignores the fact that Susie Green started medically transing her child when the child was 12 years old.
Fuck off Guardian.

And it is this constant shackling of the T to the LGB that is damaging the LGB.
Exactly Popchyk. This needs saying over and over again.

When primary heads invite drag queens to read to children.
When schools are busy insisting that girls must share toilets and changing rooms with boys.
When unqualified middle aged outsiders are invited into schools to sell their version of 'if you're a boy who likes pink and high heels you must be a girl like me....'
When dangerous fools tell teenagers in schools that the impact of hormone blocking drugs are reversible and that breast binding (unlike breast ironing) is harmless...
Is anyone surprised that parents become fearful about what is being taught to children? Get all these pressure groups and individuals out of schools pushing their own ideologies and the majority of parents would step back. Then we would be left with the bigoted groups who have always protested about schools and sex education. Much more straightforward to deal with.

I'm glad lesbians and non-conservative women are becoming so vocal about this issue. It's not good for people to think only traditionalist, non-feminist right wingers believe sex doesn't change.

That's how the media wants things to appear, and it's a major reason liberals are jumping on the trans bandwagon. They're trying hard not to be like the bigoted non-feminist right wingers they're at constant war with. Many of them sincerely support gay rights and will hopefully start to realize how lesbians are negatively affected.

The article very neatly illustrates The Guardian's position with regard to the two religions. All religions are not equal. Certainly not in the way that The Guardian writes about them

But absolutely no respect for anyone who does not belong to her cult.

Does the Grubian not permit comments?

What annoys me most about the Guardian is that all my friends read it, and that's why they don't believe me when I try to tell them about what's going on.
I daren't quote the Daily Mail, Times or Telegraph because they're so on board with how the Guardian is so right-on, and all the others are fascist rags.
It's really holding me back in trying to discuss the issues - I really hate the Guardian for that.

I've said it before but it's worth repeating: The Guardian cannot die a horrible, painful, flaming, humiliating, financial death soon enough. I hope they keep going through their trust money (no hypocrisy there, Guardian, eh?) at a rate of knots so that that sorry rag of a newspaper closes down.

Putting out a online begging bowl and having paid adverts at the bottom of their pages shows how financially strapped they are.

Good.

Pearlkent, it's your friends' loss. If they were able to think critically - instead of being ideologically rigid and doctrinaire - they would benefit from hearing a range of views.

AstonishedFemalePersonator - thanks. All I can hope for is the slow painful death (of the Guardian, obvs), and then they might realise.