trans-ageism

[BorneBackCeaselesslyIntoThePas]

I just thought the below might be of interest

“A recent article published in The Journal of Medical Ethics by a Finnish bioethicist made a moral case for the legal change of a person’s age to correspond with that person’s “experienced age

...there are three scenarios when a change to one’s legal age should be allowed: When “the person genuinely feels his age differs significantly from his chronological age,” when “the person’s biological age is recognized to be significantly different from his chronological age,” and when “age change would likely prevent, stop or reduce ageism, discrimination due to age, he would otherwise face.”

www.thecollegefix.com/scholar-makes-moral-case-for-letting-people-decide-their-own-age/

This means I can be 21 again! Except in the morning when I strongly identify as prehistoric

!!!

Can I identify as a retired person and collect my pension?

Transage has been waiting in the wings for years, we've discussed it here many times.

If you legislate that someone is something they wish to be rather than what they objectively, provably are in one way, you create a precedent that makes it very difficult to say no in any other way. If you can change your sex by simply stating so, then what is different about age? Race? Disability?

This is why legislators with a brain think before they create laws that will have damn great huge unintended consequences.

I have asked my MP what he thinks about paying PIP and for carers for people who identify as disabled, and adult men attending preschools when they identify as toddlers a la Stefonknee. The people are there, the groups are there, its all ready to roll.

And the issues in all these cases:

trans age
trans race
trans abled
trans species

(all things. All established things.)

To what extent should resources set aside for those who have that feature be 'inclusive' of people who identify as having them? How sustainable is it? How fair is it? And what is the impact on the population when anyone can identify in to it? What actually happens to inclusion- real, proper inclusion, before it became something to exploit to destruction?

I want my pension too. Plus I want to be recognised as the oldest living person in history, maybe a page about me in the Guinness book of records, sponsorships, product endorsements, so I’ll identify as 155.

I identify as an 8 year old cat.

Now feck off, stupid humans, I want to nap.

Two examples referred to on other threads today, of adult men wanting to wear nappies and have women clean them up. I'd say, imposing their sexual fetish on unconsenting women.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6166961/Arizona-man-30-allegedly-told-caregivers-Syndrome-baths-diaper-changes.html

www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/vancouver-island-university-fetish-student-professor-fired-1.4400306

Here is the story of Stefonknee

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/stefonknee-wolschtt-transgender-father-leaves-family-in-toronto-to-start-new-life-as-a-six-year-old-a6769051.html

November 2018 Emile Ratelband was on Victoria Derbyshire with Jane Fae. Ratelband was advocating his 'trans age'. Fae was unhappy.

littlbrowndog wrote:
"Fae said ppl were being hurt and upset by the guy on the transage
Fae said there were 50 years of trans I think and dsyphoria was a valid thingie
The guy said I respect you feel like a woman you should respect I feel like a 49 year"

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3421396-Transage-bloke-on-Victoria-Derbyshire

The guy said I respect you feel like a woman you should respect I feel like a 49 year
Thanks Rowantrees! You don't happen to have a screenshot of Fae's face when he said that?

Actually, joking aside, age-self-id makes far more sense than sex ID. Whereas a person's sex is easily identified by sight, it's really hard to guess a person's age. A 40 year old can look like 28, or like 60. A 60 year old can look like 50 or 80. I am 67 but look much younger, so that when I applied for a job aged 63 and got it right away, my interviewers were astonished when I told them my age at the end. They thought I was in my 50's or younger.
Obviously, I love my age and I love being retired.

And apart from looks, people do act and live quite differently to their age, and it's verifiable. There is such a thing as "young" behaviour and "old" behaviour; it's not just stereotypes, as with "gender". Young people are active, dynamic, their mental process are quick and so on. Old people slow down, are forgetful, and like to stay put -- the older you get, the more so. That's a fact, as it is body related and the body DOES slow down.
So if a 40 year old starts acting old, (ie slow, forgetful,) why shouldn't they be trans age, if people can be trans sex? And vice versa?

Thanks Rowantrees! You don't happen to have a screenshot of Fae's face when [s]he said that?

Sadly not.
There may be a link on the original thread to iplayer of the segment and would be interesting to see!

relevent thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3374614-John-Ozimek-now-Jane-Fae-on-women-feminists-and-victims-of-pornographers

The insurance industry relies on age segmentation in a way it would never be allowed to for other protected characteristics such as race.

The NHS asks us all to check how old our heart appears to be:
www.nhs.uk/oneyouold/for-your-body/check-your-health/heart-age-test/

and presumably there are equivalent tests for other vital organs. ("Your heart is as young as Juliet's, your liver is about 102, and your left and right kidneys are 45 and 55 respectively.")

Actuarial tables will show that if you are a 42 year old man in good health, you have an average of X years more to live. Data journalism breaks that down to show the difference between someone in Chelsea and a rough bit of Glasgow. So a sort of trans-age can be calculated, for a group if not an individual, in saying that you have most of the attributes of an average 60 year old.