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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Then you can call me Cis, sis

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PosterPostingPosterishly · 17/03/2019 16:13

I thought I'd share this poem that I wrote, with you. It seemed to resonate with others in a different thread. I hope it makes sense!

When you have grown the ovum to produce life, to grow a child to be borne of your body,
Then you can call me Cis, sis.

When you have felt the ache of Mother Nature, the loss from your body every month, the pain, the mess, the shame.
Then you can call me Cis, sis.

When you have fought for your right to say yay or nay.
When you have thrust your body beneath the Kings thoroughbred to make it known, you want your word,
Then you can call me Cis, sis.

When you have endured the searing pain of a tribal tradition, felt the knife to your most sensitive thing.
Then you can call me Cis, sis.

*When a man thrusts his weight upon you and tells you it’s because he loves you.
When your whole body screams in pain because you’re trying not to allow him in. When you fear that off spring could be born of this,
Then you can call me Cis, sis.

When you are paid less than another, even though you are as good or better.
When you are not quite all the way up the ladder, because you were born without the appendage.
Then you can call me Cis, sis.

When a stroll down the street, becomes a zoological cacophony.
When the catcalls and whistles and stares make you look for the nearest hole in which to crawl.
Then you can call me Cis, sis.

When you have to cover it all, at the instruction of a man.
When your hair isn’t deemed worthy of public viewing and your face must be shielded from the light.
Then you can call me Cis, sis.

When you receive lashes across your slender back, because you dare to be a voice of freedom for those born without the privilege of man.
Then you can call me Cis, sis.

I am all of these things, I fight and rise up.
I did not choose this but I will prevail.
I am a woman.
Don’t call me Cis, sis.*

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EcclesThePeacock · 18/03/2019 08:17

I somehow doubt that verse applies to many of the people sanctimoniously - or merely thoughtlessly - cissing us.

blubblubblub · 18/03/2019 08:25

I respect the effort and thought that went into it but I don't have a problem with 'cis' myself. Maybe when I was younger I would have, but after a lot of soul searching and work for other issues, I learnt that I'm more than my gender, sex, marital status, age, religion, nationality etc. So another person's opinion as to my 'label', whether it be woman, cis woman etc doesn't bother me.

Amoregentlemanlikemanner · 18/03/2019 08:37

It's a "look we're more oppressed than you" battle which is what we're trying to get away from.

PosterPostingPosterishly · 18/03/2019 08:48

blb

I totally respect your point. I have truly only recently given it thought.
I have discovered that I'm deeply uncomfortable with any prefix before woman.
To me, a woman is just a woman. Cis makes me feel like I'm categorised as a type of woman.

Agentleman

I get this totally. Although the hard facts and painful experiences are hard to get away from. We can't pretend they don't happen.

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PosterPostingPosterishly · 18/03/2019 08:49

Apologies... I got both your names wrong! 😬

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Amoregentlemanlikemanner · 18/03/2019 10:25

:)

ElizabethMainwaring · 18/03/2019 15:41

It's doggerel.

NottonightJosepheen · 18/03/2019 15:44

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ElizabethMainwaring · 18/03/2019 16:23

Ok Josepheen, you may think that. I don't know what shiterall means. The op may mean well, but it really is a rubbish 'poem'.

ElizabethMainwaring · 18/03/2019 16:26

Sorry, shitterel.

PosterPostingPosterishly · 18/03/2019 16:36

Elizabeth

I don't mind constructive criticism or healthy debate but you're just a tad rude....

Poetry doesn't have to be so 'the cat sat on the hat'.

'Catch a little rhyme' by Eve Merriam might be more your style.

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NottonightJosepheen · 18/03/2019 16:38

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ElizabethMainwaring · 18/03/2019 16:42

Ok. It's a very good poem. Well done.

PosterPostingPosterishly · 18/03/2019 16:45

I'm not sure I was after your placating praise.

But maybe find something constructive to say, ask a question or write a ditty of your own.

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Amoregentlemanlikemanner · 18/03/2019 18:48

It's a tough crowd on here OP.

I think it's a good poem in the sense of you being good at writing poetry but I don't agree with its sentiment if that makes sense.

PosterPostingPosterishly · 18/03/2019 19:07

Amore

Grin I appreciate the way you say it.
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Amoregentlemanlikemanner · 18/03/2019 20:19

:)

you're bloody brave to put your own on mumsnet full stop!

PosterPostingPosterishly · 18/03/2019 20:42

It's the first poem I've written since the late 90's at school. I don't feel too precious about it because it was more about the sentiment than whether or not someone could make it into a pop song 🤣🤣.

I won't quit the day job. But pleased that it has made an impression on some of you, or even explore your own feelings about the subject further- even if they are not the same. 🙂

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LassOfFyvie · 18/03/2019 21:30

I don't mind constructive criticism or healthy debate ....

Do you? The first lines are clunky. The repetition of "to" makes it drag.

"Mother Nature" in the next part is twee.

"Sensitive thing" is so bad it's unintentionally funny.

"make you look for the nearest hole in which to crawl" -another clunky line which prevents the flow.

Were you consciously or perhaps unconsciously influenced by If ? It reminds me of an If variation/ parody? (None of which ever come close to If)

Amoregentlemanlikemanner · 18/03/2019 21:33

told you you were brave..... :)

LassOfFyvie · 18/03/2019 21:39

I agree with Amoregentlemanlikemanner about the oppression Olympics tone too.

or write a ditty of your own

Are you Alan Partridge? He's on television at the moment. "Ditty" is very Patridge esque.

dreichuplands · 18/03/2019 21:42

I would like to stress that women without the ability to have dc are no less women.

I'm all in favor of people trying to write out their sentiments though.

Amoregentlemanlikemanner · 18/03/2019 21:49

"He's on television at the moment. "

he should be reading the news tonight...

NottonightJosepheen · 18/03/2019 21:53

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PosterPostingPosterishly · 18/03/2019 21:59

🤣

It's a good job I'm pretty thick skinned.
No I'm not Alan Partridge, no I wasn't influenced by another poem.
Sorry it's clunky.

And yes, you're still a woman even if you haven't given birth.

Don't take it so personally! I'm not.

Night all.

Thanks Josepheen. 😘

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