Crimes committed by trans people

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Hi everyone

I was wondering if anyone had any information about crimes committed by either MTF or FTM transgender people.

I remember coming across a thread of examples on Twitter but I can’t find it now They were specifically involving violent or sexual crimes in changing rooms and bathrooms etc

I have one website with many examples but was looking for more sources (womenarehuman.com)

I’m quite curious to know if FTM transgender people want to be in male prisons or use male bathrooms, or view
any crime statistics/examples.

Everything seems to focus on Male to female especially on Twitter so it’s hard to find information.

I finally decided to join Twitter and I’m astounded by the number of people who deny that ANY crime is being committed by MTF trans

Why do you ask?

whats with the ? persifleur

I’m asking because I’ve come across quite a few Twitter threads where people (who back Self-ID) are denying crimes being committed by any trans individuals. They are arguing that men in female spaces is safe and I was hoping to provide them with examples to show that there is a risk.

I only have one example to cite but I don’t want to keep using just that one link.

I thought asking here would be helpful as Google is only giving me results about crimes committed against trans people.

Here we go:

transcrimeuk.com/

google gives me Transcrimeuk.com, which seems to be up to date.

I think we can be pretty sure that f people don't create a lot of violent crime or want to identify into male prisons however they identify.

There's some stuff on here:

thenewbacklash.blogspot.com/p/9-documented-harms-to-women-and-girls.html?m=1

Skim to the paragraph before the first break for a link about male offending patterns, and then a list of other stuff below that.

I'm a bit eye-rolly because there are so many goady posts on here. Someone will be along in a minute to give you directions. Apologies if you're a regular: I'm on limited internet.
But you haven't really explained.

Most crime is committed by biological males, including those who identify as transgender.

There seems to be a strong motivation for male sex offenders to change identity to erase their past. I remember some years ago reading about one man, he was the most dangerous prisoner in Australia or something? And the psychologists were saying he was trying to change gender to escape the unspeakable evil of his crimes. I haven't been able to find his details again though, Australia is quite strong on censoring this stuff.

One transgender murderer, Donna, formerly Douglas, Perry specifically murdered prostitutes because he (biologically, he's a he - you'd have to be a pretty sick and twisted fuck to refer to such an evil misogynist with the pronoun 'she') felt that they wouldn't be missed.

You can check transcrimeuk

FTM criminals are vanishingly rare, firstly because while there's clear incentive for long-term male psychos to try to change gender for special status in prison, nobody would try to go the other, secondly because female criminals are much more rare, and thirdly because the FTM criminals would be at risk of rape etc in male prison so nobody seriously proposes to put them there, whereas with the modern individualistic 'rights' culture, the rights of individual male criminals has often been seen as more important than those they might be in prison with.

transcrimeuk.com compiles offences committed by transgender people in the UK. It's not complete because often the transgender status may not be publicised.

Generally the anonymity of dangerous male prisoners who transition AFTER going to prison is highly likely to be protected. There was a case of a man who had committed some serious explosive offences and who sued over transgender status and won. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/trangender-rights-gender-recognitions-exposives-womens-prisons-father-of-seven-david-gauke-a8586241.html

I don't think he has been named.

Jessica Winfield is an MTF prisoner who may be the longest-serving 'female' prisoner in the UK

He was "sentenced for life for brutally raping two females - one an underage child, the other the disabled daughter of a family friend. His crimes must have been exceptionally serious: he was sentenced in 1995 and it is highly unusual for anyone to spend 23 years in prison for rape."

Jessica was sent to a women prison and sick and twisted fucks at newspapers like the Independent tried to defend him www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/transgender-rapist-womens-prison-segregation-sexual-advances-inmates-sexual-assualt-a7932866.html

Separately, people who prioritise the rights of males claiming to be female over the safety of female prisoners also claimed that the tabloids had made up a story that Ian Huntley was ever considering identifying as a woman.

This 'they made it all up claim' was widely reported including by the BBC's Jeremy Vine, however what they did not mention was that there were two or possibly three separate stories more than twelve months apart with this claim, and only one of them was retracted, yet certain quarters 'unpublished' earlier reports based on claims that have NOT been retracted.

The current MTF prison situation is the result of two separate 'waves', if you will, firstly there was the case of Tara Hudson, who was a MTF prostitute who advertised a 'seven inch surprise' on sites specialising in 'chicks with dicks'. Tara Hudson has a string of convictions for assault and related offences, and was sent to prison in 2015 after racking up so many convictions for drunken and violent misbehaviour (the last knocking out the teeth of a male barman) that it would have been unconscionable NOT to imprison. Tara was presented in the media (Guardian/BBC) as a demure female 'makeup artist', the impression was given that Tara was raw meat being thrown to the lions in male prison. This whitewashing profile was a bit in conflict with the interviews with Tara a few weeks before in two different tabloid papers where Tara said 'I'm actually a bloke' and explained about being a transsexual porn star/prostitute.

In addition to this, there were a couple of suicides of transwomen in male prisons, namely by Vikki Thompson and Jenny Swift. Jenny Swift committed a brutal attack on a man, who later died, under the influence of crack, and expressed no remorse for the death. Neither inquest suggested that the prison location was the reason for the suicide, and indeed such suggestions in respect of suicide are quite dodgy from the point of view of reporting. Nonetheless, TRAs do not generally respect the principles of reporting suicide, and sought to weaponise it, with candlelit vigils for the two deceased.

The combination of the two suicides and the saturation reporting led the Prison Service to bring in new rules essentially making it easy for MTF prisoners to transfer to the female estate. Because Scotland is essentially the Gaelic wing of the Democratic party, they also brought in such rules designed to virtue signal as hard as possible that the poor ickle murderers were not being misgendered in prison.

After the English rules resulted in sexual assaults on women by Karen White, the government has walked back some of these changes, and there may be less appeal in transitioning.

So in summary - female crime isn't really an issue, nobody cares where FTM criminals go because they are only putting themselves at risk, MTF criminals BEFORE being sentenced likely commit crime at the same rate as normal male people, but AFTER being sentenced, there does appear to be a strong drive to change gender to erase past offending history, either in order to commit more crime, out of shame, to relieve a long prison sentence, for special privileges, or to get out of the main prison population where sex offenders are more at risk of assault.

There are cases of the victims of male sex criminals being forced to refer to their attackers as female, even though at the time of the offence the attacker was male.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/victim-vile-bondage-paedophile-tells-8608834
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6324851/Transgender-paedophile-treated-woman-crimes-committed-man.html

This is a similar case where the 15 year old female victim of sexual assault said 'She's quite powerful because she used to be a man, she's still got all that.'

www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/transgender-woman-bought-15-year-12775213

Let's not forget Tara Wolf

thank you so much PeeGreen what helpful info. And thank you to the other posts!

Persifleur I am a regular on mumsnet but not the feminism boards. I lurk mostly.

I don’t know if you mean goadie towards trans people or towards this feminism board. I am not trying to goad anyone, but like I said there are multiple Twitter users who seem to think trans people commit no sexual crimes.

Ah, apologies. As I said, limited internet and everything takes forever to load.

You've got some good leads there.

Umm Peter Paige is quite willfully ignorant. Good luck OP with making your points, there's lots of info about this out there.

A cracking post from Pee Green

It's great to have a detailed but succinct summary, all in one place.

peagreen

Just to add, disproportionate numbers of transgender criminals are sex criminals - around half.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42221629

It blows my mind really, FTM criminals are
not begging to be in male prisons, for obvious reasons. I read that one was only allowed into a male prison after gender reassignment surgery because there would be less risk to them with a penis.

So surely if you acknowledge that male prisoners pose a threat to FTM prisoners because of their genitals, (NOT how they dress/present) then you automatically acknowledge that MTF prisoners are a threat to female prisoners because of their genitals? Because they are all pre-op?

I’m new to Twitter, I think I really need to learn not to argue with stupid. I provided 12 examples from those websites and the reply was “this isn’t scientific data” !

Look at all the information about transwomen in prisons, on the fair play for women website.

MTF trans more often than not carry the sense of entitlement and privilege they had as males into their lives as females. FTM trans don’t. I find this interesting, as to what it says about the role of women in our supposedly egalitarian society.

This may be the Australian case

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paula_Denyer

Paul Denyer is a man who hates women and murdered three women for that reason.

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20080602094844/www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2003/s1023113.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20080602094844/www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2003/s1023113.htm

"POLICE INTERVIEWER: Can you explain why we have women victims?

PAUL CHARLES DENYER: I just hate them.

POLICE INTERVIEWER: I beg your pardon.

PAUL CHARLES DENYER: I hate them.

POLICE INTERVIEWER: Those particular girls or women in general?

PAUL CHARLES DENYER: General.

MARY GEARIN: So it's utterly bewildering that a man who killed out of hate now is setting off on this extraordinary path to become a woman.

CARMEL RUSSELL, VICTIM'S MOTHER: We felt sick.

Brian and I, we felt devastated.

I thought, "What next stunt is he trying to pull?"

MARY GEARIN: In the first 10 long years of his minimum 30-year sentence, Denyer has had plenty of opportunity to consider how he can reach beyond the bars to exercise his legal rights."

Needless to say, TRAs in general, and Wikipedia as part of its policies, believe that Paul Denyer who specifically hates women and murdered three and would continue to more, should have his pronouns respected, and be referred to as 'Paula' and a 'woman'

The claims that Denyer made after 10 years in prison

"In "Letter 6", dated 4 February 2004, she wrote: "I committed these disgusting crimes ... not because I ever hated womankind, but because I have never really felt that I was male."

This motive has been reported by a number of (exclusively male) transgender millers. Denyer's claim is rather implausible because he made it 10 years after the fact.

The case of Douglas Perry which I mentioned has similarities

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3117324-Man-killed-women-because-he-was-jealous-of-their-femininity-then-had-GRS-to-evade-capture

"Prosecutors said Perry, a man named Douglas at the time, murdered the women because of she was jealous over their ability to have children. They also contended she used her gender reassignment surgery in 2000 as a means to to avoid suspicion in the case."

"“He told me … becoming a woman was a disguise to take the heat off of him, that an elderly lady with mental illness would never get caught.”"

Also there's the recent case of Andrew Balcer, who murdered his parents and the family dog, and said they didn't validate his gender identity.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6186917/Transgender-teen-pleads-guilty-killing-parents.html

Balcer's parents appear to have been very liberal, so this claim is implausible at best.

There is the recent case in Australia of Evie Amati

www.news.com.au/lifestyle/relationships/family-friends/from-privileged-upbringing-to-triple-attempted-axe-murderer/news-story/336cfecbe0fee4d61eb0c2531dd0e919

Amati attacked three strangers at random with an axe. This was following rejection on a Tinder date.

Amati's behaviour was fuelled by TRA rhetoric, such as

• the cotton ceiling theory (a reference to lesbian's underwear discriminating against transwomen's penises)
• frequent violent imagery by TRAs, such as the exhibition at San Francisco Public Library of spiked baseball bats and other weapons with which to beat feminists to death

dgrnewsservice.org/civilization/patriarchy/male-violence/library-hosts-transgender-art-weapons-kill-feminists/ (note, this is a mirror, the original source has been deleted by Wordpress on the basis that documenting such behaviour is discriminatory against transpeople)

• or the 'Kill the TERF' shirt worn by a MTF person on IWD pbs.twimg.com/media/D1a4mwYWoAAY2J7.jpg

• or this man with his 'I punch TERFS' blood-stained shirt

www.reddit.com/r/terfisaslur/comments/6jum2p/i_punch_terfs/

Transgender ideology is manna from heaven for the men who really hate women.

Someone like Angus Sinclair, who died this week (who - to be clear - never identified as female) who raped and murdered dozens of women and girls is , according to transgender ideology, female simply if he says so.

And clearly for some men who hate women, that is one last act of misogyny, even as they rot in prison.

Thank you PeeGreen that is all so horrid but very informative.

One argument I couldn’t quite figure a response to was that the tactics used to “tarnish” transwomen (by mentioning their crimes) is the same thing racists do to POC eg. look at this black man who did this terrible thing, all black men are terrible.

I know that comparison doesn’t make sense but I couldn’t formulate a reply. I know that trans-women are a threat to women especially in prisons and men in general pose a threat to women.

It’s alot to sort through. Thankful for MN.

One argument I couldn’t quite figure a response to was that the tactics used to “tarnish” transwomen (by mentioning their crimes) is the same thing racists do to POC eg. look at this black man who did this terrible thing, all black men are terrible.

That comparison doesn’t really work, because it is not the case that black people have been proven to be more criminally violent than other people, or that all criminals are black.
But it is the case that 98% of sexual assaults are commited by men, however they identify.

The point about 'trans crime' as distinct from say 'black crime', is that the main determining factor in crime is not race, it is sex.

Males commit most crime, and nearly all sexual crime. That's true across cultures.

'Black crime' is committed by black men, just as 'white crime' is committed by 'white men'.

The thing about transgenderism is that it is not 'to be', but 'to identify as'. In other words, while, say, Samuel L Jackson IS and has always been black, Caitlyn Jenner was not transgender in 1976.

Transgender ideologists will always claim that they always were female, but firstly their claim to be female now is one that has no meaning, and secondly their claim that they were always female is unverifiable.

If you look at say Bilal Hassani

www.instagram.com/iambilalhassani

He is a he. A gay man.

He does not claim to be a woman.

BUT if someone told you that Bilal was actually a she, having transgender identity, and gave you some pictures of Bilal as a child and said 'she first knew she was a girl as a small child', then it would be wholly uncontroversial, and everyone would accept that Bilal was a transgender woman.

We know that most transwomen are 'non-op'. They have male biology. They have always had male biology. Male hormone levels.

As such in terms of criminality it's reasonable to assume that they are male. Because we know very well that men commit most crime.

In terms of the post-op TW, while they are a minority, firstly we can look at people like Dr. Berlin who actually treated paedophiles with female hormones to keep them out of prison, and the treatment was often a failure with the paedophiles continuing to rape children, and say 'well we don't know what happens to a brain that has been socialised and exposed to male hormones from birth, if you cut off the testosterone'. Clearly post-op TW will not display female levels of criminality, since much of their biology, brain, etc. is irreversibly male. It might be lower than non-op TW, but whether it is or not is kind of
irrelevant as TRAs say that genitals and hormones don't matter.

In other words, a transwoman has a penis and a beard, or she has a neovagina and she has breasts, and it's none of your business either way.

Which is fine as their position, but it does suggest that when it comes to making sex-based divisions, we should treat transwomen as men, since they probably have penises, they probably display male patterns of criminality and sex offending, and so on.

A better argument in terms of 'black crime' vis-a-vis trans crime is that just as we shouldn't treat black men differently from other men, because that would be racist, we equally shouldn't treat transwomen differently from other men.

And that last statement is true in that it's clear TRA ideology - your gender identity is what you say it is. Paul Denyer says he's a woman, so he is.

Obviously we can look at Paul Denyer's history and say actually he is NOT a woman, and reject his claim, but (a) TRAs won't do that (b) in most cases we won't have knowledge of the person to the extent we do about him. If instead we assert that Paul Denyer is a woman, then clearly that assertion is meaningless because it doesn't change anything about Paul Danyer - he's still an evil murdering misogynist.

So we really have no choice to say 'ok, if you want to say transwomen are women, that's fine, but they are also biologically males, and everything we know about biological males says they are inherently more violent and criminal, and if you think that an unverifiable self--made assertion about gender identity somehow cancels that, just because, then you're a bit thick, frankly'

Clearly it's not necessary to 'mispronoun' transwomen in general, though when they behave like Jane Fae or Rachel McKinnon, it's certainly tempting to do so, but at least when we are talking about the set of transwomen, then we need to understand them as a subset of males, because there are no logical grounds for doing anything else.

"I'm a bit eye-rolly because there are so many goady posts on here."

Bit confused by this?