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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Radio 5 now talking about trans sports people

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ginandbearit · 04/03/2019 09:07

Just starting

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Sexnotgender · 04/03/2019 15:36

www.rugbypass.com/news/140-club-fifteen-rugby-players-weigh-140kg22-stone/

Heaviest Male rugby players in the world. All around the 22/23 stone mark. These are professional athletes.

I’d say the chances of females playing at this size is slim to none.

I’m female and played full contact rugby for 6 years.

When in high school the girls team played against the boys team in a charity match, there was loads of issues raised primarily around insurance and whether it was safe. I think we were around 14 or 15. Guess we could have all just identified as boys and the issues would miraculously have vanished.

Lamaha · 04/03/2019 16:02

Also the extremely disingenuous 'transwomen have been competing with women since 2004 and only just started winning' when it was only a year or so ago when the rules went totally ridiculous. And that fucking 'study' of 7 people...wipes out all previous work on male v female differences.
The next time RM says something like this she should be challenged to name these transwomen who lost.

tobee · 04/03/2019 18:37

Bbc news channel Sportsday have item about trans footballer coming up after 18.30!

HawkeyeInConfusion · 04/03/2019 19:25

And here's the corresponding written article tobee.

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/47438175

HawkeyeInConfusion · 04/03/2019 19:29

I love the way they feel the need to point out who is the TW in the team photo.

ForgivenessIsDivine · 04/03/2019 19:55

The male advantage is of course a major point in this discussion but it is also about the fact that women have fought long and hard to have a space in sport and that space is being given up.

  • Female professional footballers earn on average 27K compared to their male counterparts who earn on average 2.7M.
  • Funding for women's sport is significantly lower than men's. For example, the £5M Bobsled programme pulled the funding for the women and continued to fund three men's teams in the 2018 winter Olympics.
  • Women were banned from playing football in FA grounds until 1969 as it was deemed unsuitable for women.

We are so far from seeing women compete, be funded and be paid on an equal level with men in the sporting arena. By allowing trans sportpeople into womens sport reduces the possibility that we can have meaningful measures which compare stastics between men and women and without review, it will go backwards. There will no longer be meaningful comparisons for funding, participation, achievement and without this meaningful comparison, focus will be lost and women will be the losers in this.

Women drop out of sport for all kinds of reasons. For every space on a team that is taken by a male bodied person, not only had a woman lost a space, but it will result in fewer women seeing female only sport as a refuge, a place where they belong and a place where they can strive to achieve at whatever level they are at and compete against their peers.

MillytantForceit · 04/03/2019 20:01

The film "Battle of the Sexes" about the origins of the Virginia Slims Tour is very well written by Simon Beaufoy.

It shows how US Tennis ex-pro Jack Kramer led a strike by the male players to get paid for playing at Wimbledon and the other big tournaments, but that he was happy for the women to get buttons by comparison.

Billie-Jean King led the fight for recognition, took Kramer on at his own game, established a Women's Tour (still going strong) and won recognition for women in tennis as equal in status to men.

tobee · 04/03/2019 21:28

Blair (the footballer) talked about trans women and tagged on trans men almost as an after thought. It's amazing how little it's highlighted that nearly all the publicity is around transwomen but barely a mention of transmen. Do you think the general public notice the omission? The massive tipping of the scales in favour of hearing from one of the other? I doubt it. We notice it on here but the media don't bring it up. Even in a subtle way.

Katvonfelttipeyebrows · 04/03/2019 21:57

I never thought today would end up with me comparing rugby players height and weight! Oh the hardship.

Next time Verity, just stick to "I've played against some women who are as tall and heavy as a man. "

Not invent a mythical Yorkshire Amazon!

CountFosco · 05/03/2019 05:35

won recognition for women in tennis as equal in status to men

It wasn't until 2007 that the women got as much prize money as the men and tennis I think is the only major spectator sport where there is pay parity.

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