Paris Lees acknowledges that women are oppressed on the basis of biology

[Haworthia]

But don’t get too excited, because she dismisses that entirely: transwomen are oppressed too. So, women need to stop moaning because Paris is just as vulnerable to attack as they are.

twitter.com/parislees/status/1101846615994834944?s=21

Paris doesn’t acknowledge that women are physically smaller and weaker, and vulnerable to rape and sexual assault. Paris is only interested in oppression one upmanship.

Just one thing though Paris - if you and I were both set upon by a man in the street, who’s going to be able to defend themselves better? You or me? I’m 5’ 3”.

The screenshot I posted really grinds my gears. Apparently women aren’t sympathetic enough to the shit transwomen get for having trans bodies. And transwomen have the same worries as women when out in public, except transwomen are also in fear of their lives.

Someone remind me of the relative murder statistic of women vs transwomen again?

Maybe Paris likes sexual harassment but not other sorts?

For the connoisseur:
www.vice.com/en_uk/article/nnq44q/paris-lees-the-21-sexiest-things-about-sex-696

Ummmm for being purely a woman? I saw a few m2f when I was in holiday and I could pick up on them - maybe it was the way they moved or held themselves, I don’t know - by instinct. Not clothes, actions or makeup and before they spoke.

Sometimes someone would walk by the side of me or in the distance and my eye would be drawn because they weren’t quite 100% - not something I could put my finger on but quite definately something.

Do men do this too or do they just see some boobs and all else just goes into a blur?

if they are harassed (which of course they shouldn't be) it's because they are trans, not because they are female

And they are not harassed by radical feminists.

They are harassed by those straight men who are boxed up in a coercive sex stereotype of masculinity that is violent and toxic.

DonkeySkin

Nailed it.

"Do men do this too or do they just see some boobs and all else just goes into a blur?"

Some boobs I think, for lots of men

Esp the ones who indulge in street harrassment

See the deep discomfort on big brother when the drag queen came out with all the trappings of "sexy woman" but they knew he was a man

For lots of men "woman" is just boobs / makeup etc >> they see women as sex objects not real people and if they aren't sex objects they often can't see them at all (age of invisibility).

This is part of the whole problem.

Growing up as men, many TW naturally have this concept of woman as meaning trappings of femininity and nothing else.

Hence claiming it's a "social category"

You can only believe that if you don't really believe that women are full people with our own independent experiences reality etc

strudelpie - it's quite incredible how effective PL has been in removing unsavoury information about them from the web... I guess it's a combination of the stuff predating everything being online and using the "right to forget" process, citing their transition as reason to remove references to their "deadname"

(I think I know their "deadname", but I won't put it here becuase I suspect the post will just be deleted)

Here's another interesting exercise - see if you can find out PL's real age... Clue: they have been 29 for a very long time.... (This lack of info also makes it harder, of course, to look up info about the crime)

Here's another interesting exercise - see if you can find out PL's real age... Clue: they have been 29 for a very long time.... (This lack of info also makes it harder, of course, to look up info about the crime)

Paris's Wiki entry is extremely short of dates. How can someone so famous be so little known...?

The weird thing is that there is a very popular Sunday night TV show that explains in great detail what happens to women who can’t access safe abortion or contraception yet apparently for some people these things are niche issues that only randomly affect ‘gestators’ or ‘menstruators’.

Here is a fact for you Paris, 2 facts actually:

Humans cannot change sex.
Males cannot become females.

Interesting reply from Juno there as well.

One of my great grandmothers had 7 surviving children and the other 9. The only advantage I have over them is access to contraception and some legislation. Those are external things that can be taken away. Many women in the world don’t have them now.

In Hungary Orban is ‘encouraging’ women (of the correct race) to have more children. What if you don’t want children? What if you have had enough? What if he decides a stick is more effective?

Those are external things that can be taken away. Many women in the world don’t have them now
Margaret Atwood once said that there is nothing in The Handmaid's Tale which hasn't happened somewhere in the world as she was writing that novel. I suspect it's even worse now.

Have asked Mumsnet to delete the above. It looks like I'm saying 33 based on that blog article. I'm saying 33 based on PL's age given as 25 in January 2013 and stating in December of the same year that PL is lying about PL's age even back then.

That blog article just seemed interesting to me because of all the comments from all our favourite campaigners against women's rights. And Julie Bindel sticking up for Nigella.

Perhaps Lees is counting in dog years?

I thought I read that they were as old as me. I must be getting the confused with someone else.

Well, looking at PL, I'd say mid thirties minimum. Even thousands of pounds worth of cosmetic surgery can only do so much.

I just looked at those videos of Paris dancing betty. Some serious dad dancing going on there.

Paris is confused. As a trans woman you may well receive harassment and abuse for your departure from what is considered acceptable behaviour and appearance for persons of the male sex. There is, I think, an overlap between that and the oppression experienced by women who depart similarly. But there is a whole other load of crap women are subjected to even if they conform to acceptable gender presentation because of their biological sex. Some of that actually can get worse for women who conform to gender stereotypes (appearing very “feminine” and passive can be interpreted by a particular type of predatory male as presenting an easy target. I should say I am not trying to blame victims here. I’m saying women are fucked whether we play the game or not).

I should also say that by endorsing that game and altering their appearance the better to confirm to its rules, Paris is arguably making the position of gender non conforming men and women worse, by endorsing the proposition that people who wish to look and behave in a stereotypically feminine’s manner must be women, even if they are in fact men.

making the position of gender non conforming men and women worse, by endorsing the proposition that people who wish to look and behave in a stereotypically feminine’s manner must be women, even if they are in fact men

Agreed DonaldTwain

IMO, there's a basic cowardice in all of this. Setting aside really specific bodily dysphoria around genitalia & secondary sex characteristics which must be awful to experience - for example, I know someone who basically hated his penis & wished he didn't have one.

I really wish men who want to adopt aspects of femininity as it is stereotyped at the moment (eg soft clothing, make up, skirts, long hair) would just be braver and present as feminine men.

It would be more honest - AND it would be the brave and truly progressive thing to do.