Paris Lees acknowledges that women are oppressed on the basis of biology

[Haworthia]

But don’t get too excited, because she dismisses that entirely: transwomen are oppressed too. So, women need to stop moaning because Paris is just as vulnerable to attack as they are.

twitter.com/parislees/status/1101846615994834944?s=21

Paris doesn’t acknowledge that women are physically smaller and weaker, and vulnerable to rape and sexual assault. Paris is only interested in oppression one upmanship.

Just one thing though Paris - if you and I were both set upon by a man in the street, who’s going to be able to defend themselves better? You or me? I’m 5’ 3”.

The screenshot I posted really grinds my gears. Apparently women aren’t sympathetic enough to the shit transwomen get for having trans bodies. And transwomen have the same worries as women when out in public, except transwomen are also in fear of their lives.

Someone remind me of the relative murder statistic of women vs transwomen again?

Didn’t this person get into a bit of a rumble and got into trouble for it? Or am I getting people muddled up? I don’t think the 4 ladies who beat up the man in the tube station looked particularly oppressed.

olennaswimple

Yes I agree with Paris on plenty too, in particular the environment. I don’t agree with these tweets though and Nigella liked the one about female biology

Datun not at all, I just came across an equally moronic argument yesterday attempting to prove Joan McAlpine wrong and had been mulling this over.

Some woman was trying to reject Joan's statement that women faced discrimination on the basis of their biology by saying that any discrimination she faced was based on her presenting in a way that led people to assume she was female.

The contortions required to arrive at that conclusion were so bad, at first the argument seemed like it could make sense, until you realise that's just another trans privilege activist the reducing sexism, discrimination and oppression women face to street harassment, sexual assault and physical violence. And conflating gender with sex. And equating performing feminine sex stereotypes with being a woman.

So, in the end just another so-called academic and TPA who doesn't understand feminist theory or class-based analysis.

Oh fuck off Paris. You do not worry about things that women worry about, as others have listed above so I won't repeat. Your concerns are not at all the same.

Paris is a rare example of a transwoman who passes. Maybe in photos/on instagram. But definitely not in real life.

Remember when Paris Lees wrote an article boasting about how much Lees enjoys being propositioned by strange men in public? While also mocking women as stuck-up middle class prudes for having fears about male strangers who harass them?

That article was my true peak trans. I'd already been having doubts about the whole 'gender identity' thing as it just seemed to be based on sexism, but Lees's article made me realise that feminine-presenting males do not understand the female experience AT ALL.

I guess, like most people, I'd sort of assumed that men who take on feminine appearance norms were 'treated like women', and often despised and threatened by their fellow men. But when you think about this more carefully, it makes no sense. While it's true that men do sometimes harm other men for not conforming to 'proper' standards of manhood, these attacks fall within the category of male-on-male violence and don't have the same power imbalance that male-on-female attacks have.

Gay men, for instance, are occasionally beaten, raped and even killed by men they are tricking with. (Sometimes robbery is the motivation, sometimes homophobia, sometimes it's just psychotic violence). Any time a man picks up a strange man for sex, he is risking his safety. But this doesn't stop men from seeking out high-risk sexual situations with strangers, to a vastly greater extent than women do, such that gay male sexual culture is very different to heterosexual sexual culture. This is probably due to the fact that men are more evenly matched with each other physically, and have a better chance of defending themselves against another man. And obviously they are not risking pregnancy. Men simply don't understand the physical and reproductive vulnerability that women feel in relation to men, hence Lees's bafflement at why women are such uptight prudes about being sexually propositioned by male strangers.

Lees's article brought this into sharp focus for me. What Paris is describing there is a gay man's cavalier attitude to high-risk sex/sexual situations. It made me realise that even those few males who 'pass' reasonably well as women do not share women's fear of men. Make-up and long hair do not confer the particular vulnerability that women have in relation to men; having female biology does.

Lees's Vice article directly contradicts what Lees is claiming in those tweets. Which is the truth? I think the Vice article is the expression of Paris's true feelings on the matter of how vulnerable Lees' feels in relation to men (i.e, not at all), and the tweets are more political propaganda designed to deny women the ability to articulate the reality of our lives.

@OlennasWimple I didn’t realise he participated in someone’s murder/manslaughter - he says in his guardian bio piece that he participated in an assault and doesn’t elaborate - is there a ref to the outcome of his crime and what he did vs the person he committed the crime with? That’s truly shocking if he killed someone/his assault lead to someone’s death

It's not women's fault though is it.? It's always us that are the issue.

I know Paris was verbally (possibly physically?) abused in toilets by young women I think though.

But still, it's men. Not women.

I've never seen any evidence that Lees' victim died. But it must have been a vicious attack to warrant a 2-year sentence as a juvenile.

Slight correction: PL was sentenced to two years, but only served 8 months (not unusual). A two year sentence for a first time robbery as a juvenile is very unusual - that alone indicates that it wasn't a simple broken window and nicked wallet and watch crime. I believe that the victim was an elderly man who was beaten up and died a couple of years later - the family believe his death was brought on by the attack, though I guess it's always difficult to say for certain.

But I had forgotten that they were working as a rent boy at the time, at the time when PL identified as a gay young man.

I have reported myself for not allowed use of accurate pronouns

I fail to see Paris’s point. Even if it’s true that TW are harassed, attacked and murdered in huge numbers, it’s not women doing it. What does Paris want us to do?

Thanks @OlennasWimple. Is there somewhere I can read more about the crime - I only found the link you supplied and the perpetrator’s own version as per bio. Could not find details re victim’s death and family statements etc.

All evidence of the crime has disappeared. Even Kiwifarms has nothing. Presumably because Paris was a juvenile. Also I don't think we know Paris' former name?

You can’t say a person’s previous identity can you? Isn’t that a danger in our society?

Another fucking male in an endlessly long line of fucking males who doesn't know and wouldn't dream of making the slightest effort to understand what it means to be female in a male-dominated world.

And one whose Twitter bio has as its first statement "Adult human female".

Yeah, just the same worries as me - endometriosis, adenomyosis, morphine for said conditions, the effect of pregnancy and a c section on my body, no less than seven gynae surgeries... just the same 🙄

Just to reiterate

This is Paris in 2014

And this is Paris in 2019

I think they should apologise for that Vice article.

What a massive hypocrite.