The Times reports on a new jail in a jail for trans women

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Andrew Gilligan reporting:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/europes-first-jail-in-a-jail-for-trans-women-vg7r57qfh?shareToken=50bf9da1df3d91e8bce68b1c608561e5

Maybe those most vulnerable of women - prisoners - are about to be finally protected from male born sex offenders.

'This one sentence sums up the problem with self-identification: ‘the prospect of moving to the relatively liberal environment of a women’s prison could be a motive for insincere transition by dangerous inmates kept in high-security in the male estate’.

But that never happens!

And, when it does, it's not significant. No true Scotsman, etc.

Remember - acceptance with exception eh, Stonewall?

If this doesn't stop, we'll have women's prisons which have ordinary women in them (the vast majority of whom are incarcerated for non-violent offences).

And they will be outnumbered in the women's prison by the absolute worst of all men (who will likely have a very long history of sexual offences and violence against women and children).

That is the future.

I'd argue that it would be safer for women to have entirely mixed-sex prisons in that case. So no segregation by sex or gender at all. Because women might be able to get some protection from some of the other men who are not violent or sex offenders.

I'm worried this might come out wrong, but do we know anything about the women Karen White assaulted/raped? Have they been given an opportunity to sue the prison service for not protecting them adequately? Have they been offered suppprt for that if they wished to go down that route? It seems to me that a public court case might help bring this matter to a head?

If this doesn't stop, we'll have women's prisons which have ordinary women in them (the vast majority of whom are incarcerated for non-violent offences).

Prisons are categorised by risk (which is what makes this "solution" so barmy).

What will eventually happen is that the "female" inmate number will increase exponentially and there will become a need for an entire prison to accommodate high risk and sex offending "female" inmates, just as there is a need for such prisons in the male estate. This prison would house a tiny number of dangerous women (there are usually less than 20 at any one time, we're talking women like Rose West) and everyone else would be the other kind of "female".

Until then, low risk women inmates will have this travesty shoved upon them and nobody in authority will give a flying fuck about them.

It's fucking ridiculous.

Fully mixed sex prisons categorised by risk as usual would be better than this utter anti-woman crap. At least low risk women would be incarcerated with men less likely to be violent towards them or to sexually assault or harass them.

I will never forgive anyone who had a hand in this. NEVER.

And the most insane thing about it was that the MoJ rushed to put this in place in November 2016. When they were told by lobbyists that the number of transgender prisoners might be "in the tens".

Karen White happened in September 2017.

The MoJ are still "reviewing" their guidelines 18 months later.

Meanwhile, there may now be more than 1450 prisoners who identify as transgender according to HM Inspectorate of Prisons www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6712985/One-prisoner-50-identifies-opposite-sex.html

I am going to suggest that the majority of them have become transgender in direct response to the MoJ's guidelines that were rushed out.

The MoJ has created this problem itself, partly influenced by Maria Miller's committee and partly influenced by the MoJ's own transgender lobby.

The only way to keep women safe in prison is to ensure that biological male inmates are not housed in that same estate. Do it, solve the problem once and for all, rather than trying all sorts of insane halfway house measures that put women in danger and will have male inmates suing the MoJ.

The MoJ has created this problem itself, partly influenced by Maria Miller's committee and partly influenced by the MoJ's own transgender lobby.

Oh, don't let's forget the ones they iatrogenically transed themselves by giving anti-androgens to incarcerated sex offenders.

We know 120 prisoners have been given anti-androgens across 6 sex offender specific prisons. Data from 4 revealed that of that cohort 34 have now transitioned

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Because, you know, a great way to rehabilitate sex offenders is to stick them in prison with women who can't get away from them.

Like I say: I will never forget and I will never forgive.

This is unbelievable. To be repeatedly failing these women so badly is horrific. Why does the MOJ care so little? I hope the women are suing the MOJ - there are bound to be more than what we know already.

This all goes back to allowing men to become women legally.

Now the MoJ is in a bind because they are now discriminating against these "women" because of their trans status.

How does the EA interact with the GRA? If a man obtains a GRC making him legally female, is the comparator for discrimination under the EA a man without the PC of gender reassignment, or a woman without the PC of gender reassingnment? If it's the latter, then there is no longer a protected characteristic of sex to protect women.

I'm thinking more and more that the GRA needs to be repealed.

Richard Garside, Centre for Crime and Justice Studies on Twitter:

twitter.com/RichardJGarside/status/1107212451475570688

A roof top protest. Staff unsure what's going to happen next. Female prisoners anxious.

Perhaps if the prison service stopped trying to turn women's prisons into mixed-sex institutions they may be able to start developing a fair and coherent policy.

O what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive.

So much chaos rising out of the original lie that men can become women.

Time to rerun to truth-based laws and governance, and find solutions for ALL men who are subject to male violence, and not just for males who identify as women.

I am genuinely so angry today that I can barely see to type.

And the infuriating thing is that they sure as hell aren't trying to turn the men's prisons into mixed-sex facilities. Or any men's spaces into mixed-sex spaces. Nope, one way traffic as per fucking usual.

There are no biological females in the male estate in England and Wales. Because any women who identifies as male would be UNSAFE there apparently. Because of male violence and sexual assault. But somehow, in the tiny minds of the authorities, putting men in a women's prison is fine.

So female-only spaces become mixed sex. With the absolute worst of all men in there.

And male-only spaces remain single sex.

Richard Garside also posted this the other day:

He said in a later tweet that he couldn't say much more as it was a private briefing but hopes things will go public soon.

So just to be clear, women's safety is being compromised, not because of the GRA (at the moment, only prisoners with a GRC are being housed at Downview), but because of a political imperative

That is fucking terrifying

Fantastic comments, though -- not a single one pro-trans. Either the Times is censoring such, or they don't dare. I wonder which.