Help a brother out

[Glinner]

Hello, you coven of squints far right Nazi witches!

I'd like to collect some anecdotes about when and why you first became involved in the debate about gender ideology and activism. I've also asked on Twitter but thought this might be good for longer answers.

Please tell me your stories!

Lamaha - Many thanks for quoting me. I'm honoured!

Note on that twitter thread, there is a James Kirkup quote hidden as "sensitive content".

For fuck's sake. Look at it - it's a cartoon picture of some words on a screen.

Note on that twitter thread, there is a James Kirkup quote hidden as "sensitive content".

Sensitive content? OMG. It's about legislators and representatives being too afraid to debate. In bloody Parliament!

Twitter is lost

It may be that the person tweeting has some sort of twitter 'sanction' on their account. Sometimes successful targeting of accounts results in any attachments been hidden like this.
Its bizarre sometimes.
Twitter's rules, policies and sanctions are unfathomable and there's no accountability. The consequences of sanctions can often be hidden from the person tweeting.

I don't have a Twitter account and that is marked as 'sensitive content' when I go to that thread.

I think its more likely a sanction against the twitter account posting than the actual James Kirkup quote.

Easily tested though.... perhaps lots of people on Twitter should share the Resisters image both as sceenshot and then as a retweet from the Resisters page.

It could also be Resisters twitter account is sanctioned.

oh, I see. I really don't get Twitter which is why I don't have an account!

I'm not sure anyone has a clear idea of how Twitter works except perhaps for those Twitter TRAs who are so effectively gaming its functions.

There are some TRAs who game reports on twitter just as they have successfully on other platforms such as Facebook and Mumsnet.

Its about power, its abuse and coercive-control.

Oh the irony of people complaining and having messages deleted on this thread

Glinner: What made you think transgenderism might be a negative force?

Lots of women: well there is extensive evidence to show that many of the proponents are very invasive and controlling, particularly towards women

My "what the hell" moment came when I stumbled upon the CBBC programe 'Just a Girl' whilst watching TV with young grandchilden. Having been completely GNC as a child I realised that had I been subjected to that ideology 50 years ago, none of my children or grandchildren would have been born .

Every time I open this thread for the updates my eyes pause on the phrase "coven of squints" and I'm beginning to quite like it

Lots of women: well there is extensive evidence to show that many of the proponents are very invasive and controlling, particularly towards women

**

December 2018 Vice article by Eve Livingston:
'How an Online Forum for Moms Became a Toxic Hotbed of Transphobia
Mumsnet boasts of its political influence and hosts chats with Hillary Clinton and UK politicians. So how has it become ground zero for British transphobia?'

(extract)
Since 2016, Mumsnet—specifically its Feminism board—has increasingly found itself on the receiving end of criticism from trans people and their allies. “When I started using Twitter and engaging in the trans sphere in mid-2017, Mumsnet was constantly referenced both on my timeline and in DMs,” says Joss Prior, a trans woman who is part of a sizable trans community that monitors and discusses Mumsnet regularly. “The whole of the Feminism board was like a spectre hanging over the daily trans discourse.”

Prior points to the now partially-deleted but notorious 2016 “I Am Spartacus” thread in which a user asserted that “men cannot become women, ever. Women cannot become men, ever” and went on to misgender a number of trans men and women, including high-profile campaigners Paris Lees and Danielle Muscato. The post sparked thousands of supportive comments and is consistently referenced in up-to-date threads, with “I am Spartacus” acting as a shorthand rallying call for anti-trans feminists. Attempts have even been made to organize campaigning activity around the phrase." (continues)

“It’s a core group of a few hundred hardcore trans-exclusionary radical feminists (TERFs), a tiny percentage of overall users,” says Christine, the mother of a trans child and also part of the network that regularly monitors Mumsnet. (Christine’s name has been changed for privacy reasons.) “Yet the Feminism board is just 90 percent discussions about trans people on any given day.” (continues)
broadly.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/a3mn9k/mumsnet-uk-mom-forum-terf-transphobia-feminism

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3444548-Vice-how-an-online-forum-for-moms-became-a-toxic-hotbed-of-transphobia

Still Spartacus here!

Hi everyone,

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Welcome again!

The day I read Nassim Taleb's essay "The Most Intolerant Wins: The Dictatorship of the Small Minority". Once I read this I understood that this is how our world works now - every difficult issue (sexuality is just one of these) is at risk of being railroaded by a loud and intolerant minority.

I then talked to a friend who is employed at the Tavistock, and that person was unwilling to even discuss the subject with me properly at a table in a café. And I saw the fear, and as a woman, and a feminist, realised that if we don't fight, we will lose the battle. Because others; and I mean the intolerant minority of transexuals, not all transexuals; are a) not scared and b)more than happy to take what we have.

I'm working on my female children now, to make sure they see what is really happening, and what is at stake for them. They are waaaaaay too nice. Start channelling Jenni Murray and Germaine Greer girls, not Katy Perry and Beyonce!!!

I've just listened to the Pique Resillience women's first podcast called "Danger Ramen" about their experiences binding as teenagers and how much it hurt and they literally couldn't breathe, so gave up choir, wind band, swimming and sports etc. Which isolated them as young women, further relying on social media which validated the pain they were in, and still years afterwards they have breathing and bone problems and one can no longer sing having been a dedicated singer as a teenager.

Peaked AGAIN. And crying too. The poor woman whose singing voice is literally lost

m.youtube.com/watch?v=bQT0a8cmt7A

I can't remember what peaked me. Might have been the Spartacus threads - either way, it was definitely Mumsnet.

But far more importantly, it's removed the scales from my eyes to the true extent of the patriarchy and misogyny that we face every damn day. I used to think everything was okay, and that we were kinda equal. Now I'm ready to burn the damn place down at the scale of injustices that women face. I'm regularly engaging in random, small acts of defiance.

So their attempt at keeping women in their place has kinda backfired...

I'm Irish (and in Ireland) and only became aware of our self-ID legislation in June 2018 courtesy of a thread discussing Repeal on an Irish parenting board ... someone raised the use of "pregnant person" (rather than "pregnant woman") and we were off. What was striking was how many of us, who are generally up to date with what's going on in social legislation, had totally missed this happening. When you consider the excruciating public debate we've had on issues from contraception to divorce to abortion to decriminalisation of homosexuality, to legalisation of gay marriage (all in my lifetime) it is extraordinary how this just "slipped in" to legislation. At the time it was also becoming apparent that the Repeal focussed FB groups I'd been part of had now re-defined feminism to mean "non GC". I've always dipped in and out of Mumsnet but am now here a lot more as a result.

It started for me with the closing down of Mitch Fest by transactivists. Followed swiftly by men with long hair insisting on calling me a "cis" woman. I work in IT. There's a significant number of this type. They revel in their self imposed victim hood. Funnily enough it always get's worse when challenged or (heaven forbid) professionally outgunned by females.

I peak transed around the time our favourite adolescent 'activist' started his campaign against Anne Ruzlo.

I'm the mother to a teenage lesbian. It's getting harder and harder to find her safe lesbian spaces where she can explore her sexual identity in a supportive environment that haven't been run over by lady dick owners who demand to be the centre of attention.

Oh yes, remember when there was a TRA mole on MN staff who publicised usernames and passwords.

Olly Lambert's twitter response to question:
(Director of 'Trans Kids, Its Time to Talk' documentary)

"It was probably the moment I realised that not a single charity, journalist, support group or doctor who supported the affirmation of trans kids would take part in a documentary that wanted to ask valid questions about the treatment of …trans kids. THREAD 1/13

At the start of this, I’d undoubtedly have called myself an ally, and still do in a different way. Live and let live, give people the lives and freedoms they want, let kids live their true lives. /2

The film “Trans Kids: It’s Time to Talk” sought to ask if if the medication and affirmation of trans kids was always the right path. I’d expected passionate and articulate charities & campaign groups would want to take part and speak about how this process helps. /3

And yet in almost 20 years of making films, I’d never encountered such a systematic refusal to debate something so patently important. Every single "pro trans kids" group refused to speak, and I had to ask why. /4

Stonewall refused, saying that as the film included “gender critical” voices it would be ‘denying the existence of trans people’. This was laughable. Interviews with trans people make up nearly half the film. /5

Britain’s only private “gender GP” Helen Webberley said she’d take part on condition that Stephanie Davies-Arai and @David @DavidTCDavies were not included. Amazed, we asked if there were others she didn’t want us to talk to. She said she’d need to check the “little list” /6

Maria Miller MP didn’t have even ten minutes free in the following 3 months (!) to be interviewed about the Women’s & Equalities Select Committee (which she chairs), adding that she was no longer involved in the trans debate. (But… /7

...On the day Maria Miller wrote this to me, Stonewall sent an invitation to MPs inviting them to a “panel event on trans equality, held in partnership with Maria Miller MP…”) /8

Paris Lees pulled out of two meetings, both times on the day they were supposed to happen, before saying she didn’t have time to take part. /9

Mermaids had various reasons, falsely stating that the author & psychotherapist presenter @stellaomalley3 was “unqualified” and “confused”. They also wouldn’t take part because “the film will be one sided” (their refusal to take part only serving to make that more likely). /10

Lily Madigan refused because there was “nothing to debate”. /11

Jake Graf wouldn’t even speak on the phone. Owen Jones ignored all emails and requests via an intermediary. Jane Fae said no. Gendered Intelligence never replied to emails. And on and on. /12

The only organisation who I felt gave a valid reason was the Tavistock. After a long meeting with Polly Carmichael (who was thoughtful, nuanced and recognised the complexity) they ultimately declined saying they feared their words would be “weaponised” by all sides. /13

So my question remains: if a treatment is so right, if your position is so unarguably good, why not talk about it? Feeling that you’re so correct you can’t be disagreed with is a really, really bad look. /14

Anyway. We made the film. You can see it here:
vimeo.com/304866757

threader.app/thread/1100693458048770048

thread discussing the documentary:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3430608-Stella-OMalley-Trans-Kids-Its-Time-To-Talk

Hmmm, Jenner either came out or won woman of the year and I thought it was weird. Roughly the same time Rachel Dolezal was absolutely slated for wanting to be another colour. The dissonance between a man lauded as woman(and the elephant in the room was Jenner killing someone previously), but woman being told she was monstrous for wanting to be black but still woman.
Then Madigan's taking a woman's spot. I don't necessarily agree with AWSs but if there is one then surely to fuck a woman should be in it. Else its truly bloody pointless having one. But not just taking the spot, maybe I could deal with that, but going out of one's way to get put in that spot. To actually actively be a nasty shit and hurt someone, just to get in an unpaid job, then be too stupid to do it right. Sorry but lily is thick as.