Transgender boy in care drugged and raped

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www.9news.com.au/2019/02/21/16/54/lawyer-argues-vic-teen-gave-sex-consent

"A Melbourne man facing jail for giving a 14-year-old boy GHB and having sex with the youth four times has reduced culpability because the victim was an "active" participant, a barrister argues.

Prosecutors described 28-year-old Andrew Castles' victim as a vulnerable transgender boy in state care, but Castles' lawyer claimed the offending was less grave because the boy signed up to gay dating app Grindr to "seek out" experiences with drugs and sex.

Castles drove the victim to his Ballarat home, gave him a moderate 0.5ml dose of GHB before sexually penetrating him twice, Ms Bates said.

The victim was then given 0.7ml of GHB, three vodka shots and sexually penetrated twice more.

Castles, who had also used GHB, then took a naked photo of the victim sleeping.

The next day he gave the victim more GHB and drove him to a train station."

"Mr Westmore said Castles had misguided beliefs about adolescent sexuality and believed he was helping the victim."

These are the sorts of children Mermaids et al want to 'help'. Confused children living in care who believe they are actually boys, and then men like Andrew Castles are there to drug and rape them.

I am not sure, in a way, if the victim's gender identity makes a difference to the story, save that it would seem that being a gay man has meaning in terms of lifestyle, anatomy, etc., and clearly a 14-year-old biological female is in no way equipped for any of that.

If I were the sentencing judge I’d give him extra time for running such foul arguments in mitigation. Vile, vile, vile

Rape is rape is rape is rape is rape is rape ffs! At 14 yo there's no defence whatsoever, its rape, of an underage girl.

All stats are being distorted dangerously by reporting like this.

Oh well, just as many 'boys' as 'girls' get raped, no-one will know who's talking about what its got so ridiculous.

This type of shit will be putting an end to real male violence against women statistics. She has a girls body. It was a girls body he raped.

Fucking shit lawyers defending the indefensible

We're to believe that he was helping this child and teaching them by having sex that was enabled by drugs?
No matter what the sex of the child that's very wrong.
If the child presented as male, it smacks of the old 'turning a lesbian'.

This child was supposed to be 'in care'?! What's the point, really!

The thing about calling views 'misguided', is that there have to be standards and clear public information in society about how you never, never treat a child if you don't want to go to prison.

Not idiots wittering about children's right to self expression and promoting kids dancing in gay bars as if it's normal and ok. And not people rushing to protect those idiots and their misguided views by deleting links to information and policing language to help shut down and prevent that misguided behaviour being pointed out.

I use the word 'misguided' while holding my nose.

Man rapes child... IMO the only thing the judge should be thinking about when sentencing crimes like this.
The point of 'age of consent'should be that any mitigating circumstances normally allowed for consideration (rightly or worngly) in adult rape cases do not apply.
Behaviour, sex, gender, verbal consent, physical consent, did the victim say no loud enough, did the victim struggle, were drugs etc involved are all irrelevant.
The only question asked and answered should be did the adult have sex with the child?
Sickening.

A typical 14 year old female would be much weaker than a typical 14 year old male, so on reflection I think this miserable coward knew exactly what he was doing and he used the victims transgender status against the child.

I still think rape of a male or female is equally vile but in this instance I think sex and 'gender presentation' might have played into. The man choosing tgis particular target. Vile sum bag.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/revealed-the-child-victims-of-dating-apps-p3wfv83ml

Penis News has covered this story to be fair (with mixed comments). Dating apps have got to tighten up their procedures, children are so vulnerable.

As for this rapist piece of shit, and his piece of shit lawyer, I'm so angry. Throw them both in jail with the normal criminals. Let them sort them out.

The sad thing is that the overwhelming view on MN where a 12 yo was in a similar situation was that poor fella and the child should be punished through criminal justice system for lying on the app

This child is 14 so obviously will be the same, as if you think it's OK for a 12yo then 14 is a big gap.

It bothers me that so many people (women!) want children punished for being children, while men should absolutely be allowed to have sex with them. Even if they're 12. Twelve!

So we have a long way to go with this in society.

I thought that most people thought fuckign kids was a no-no in UK society values.
Turns out I was horribyl wrong and that was a real lesson to learn.

penis news doesn't seem to allow comments on any trans stories any more?

no debate

It was because the comments were always overwhelmingly providing evidence that the 'tiny minority' not on board were actually about 98% of their LGBTWTF readers.

How long ago did they do that?
Must be like a year or something?

I'm also surprised that in a piece about hannah mouncey they actually put a photo of hannah playing with a woman in the picture too which made the size differential obvious

Havn't clicked on one o ftheir links in ages

it seems to only be about 75% T now with G and a tiny bit of L reported on

That is a big change

Sorry. I wasn't clear... this type of story e.g. under aged children being abused through Grinder.

They wouldn't touch this specific story with a barge pole.

Examples of similar, but involving boys.

www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/02/11/boy-grindr-sexual-abuse-tinder/

Oh i see I was looking for that actual story

hence havign a cruise around pn and seeing it's changed a fair bit

Who said that children deserved to be raped for being stupid? I thought the age of consent was there BECAUSE children do stupid things without considering the consequences.

A Large % of mners on a similar thread about a girl who was on tinder, she was 12 though.

The people who said it would argue that the 12yo girl wasn't raped but was actually the main actor in the situation and the man was her victim.

Nothing
The sad thing is that the overwhelming view on MN where a 12 yo was in a similar situation was that poor fella and the child should be punished through criminal justice system for lying on the app
I despair. What the fuck is happening to boundaries and consent and safeguarding children?!

TFB female children have always been blamed for adult mens actions towards them if they're over about 10 or so.

TBF even

Unfortunately I think it is fairly standard in society that people with vaginas as standard don't matter as much as people with penises as standard when it comes to rape. That poor child.

How is holding beliefs that make you think it's ok to rape a child a mitigating factor ffs? It's a red flag for repeat offending!

Utter bollox. These people are supposed to have brains, get paid shed-loads, oh and theres the minor point of upholding the law. Child sex with adult = adult is rapist

No matter what 'active' part grooming

problem is that large sections of society all over the world will fall over themselves to let me off these crimes

and the internet means that there is much more ability of children who are damaged / or just plain curious and wanting to grow up / to come into the path of men who would sexually exploit them

the consent thing > is being used against us to the ma now. we said no rape doesn't just mean violent violation of another mans property. we are people and we have our own preferneces and we need to consent whether its our husband or anyone else
has been morped to
get consent by any means possible and its a green light to anything and everything
tell the court after the event she consented and even if its ludicrously unlikely the ocurts will give you benefit of doubt (woman is dead so her story is not heard)