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Sally Challen Appeal 27/02/19

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Funkyfunkybeat12 · 17/02/2019 11:53

Just to remind everyone that Sally's appeal will be heard on 27 and 28 February at the Royal Courts of Justice. Her son David has been campaigning tirelessly about her case and the appeal was put back, having originally been due to be heard before Christmas.

Fingers crossed that she is freed and that society wakes up to the realities of coercive control and what it does to people.

www.theguardian.com/law/2019/feb/17/sally-challen-sons-fear-led-mother-to-kill-our-father-court-appeal

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MrsBertBibby · 28/02/2019 16:24

Well that is excellent news.

LizzieSiddal · 28/02/2019 16:26

Excellent news, I hope the retrial happens quickly.

LangCleg · 28/02/2019 16:30

I might have a tear in my eye.

Can we all say a huge thank you to the indefatigable Harriet Wistrich?

MrsBertBibby · 28/02/2019 16:33

Was there a Crowd Justice for Sally? I could swear I had contributed, but can't find it.

DoctoressPlague · 28/02/2019 16:59

Can we all say a huge thank you to the indefatigable Harriet Wistrich?

Yes! Harriet Flowers

And BBC - fuck off, you are now officially gutter press.

LangCleg · 28/02/2019 17:22

Was there a Crowd Justice for Sally? I could swear I had contributed, but can't find it.

I don't recall but Harriet's Centre for Women's Justice is currently crowdfunding for another woman here:

www.crowdjustice.com/case/justice-for-jourdain/

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Funkyfunkybeat12 · 28/02/2019 17:23

Thank you Harriet.
I am disappointed that she will be retried but I am so happy that her conviction was quashed.

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Funkyfunkybeat12 · 28/02/2019 17:26

And thank you Julie and thank you David and James.

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MrsBertBibby · 28/02/2019 17:28

Well I would imagine she would still offer a plea to manslaughter. The CPS may feel it's not worth retrying for murder in those circumstances.

Either way, though, that's an immense step forward for women.

DoctorTwo · 28/02/2019 19:21

I don't post in this section very often because not my place, but I just want to say I'm absolutely delighted at this news. Hopefully Sally will be out of prison tomorrow awaiting her re-trial.

chilling19 · 28/02/2019 19:32

A step in the right direction. I too hope she will be home soon.

TheCraicDealer · 28/02/2019 20:55

Saw this pop up on my fb news feed whilst I was in work and did a quiet "yessssss!" under my breath. A step in the right direction for Sally and her boys.

Popchyk · 05/04/2019 15:05

Update today.

twitter.com/David_Challen/status/1114105230264885248

BAIL GRANTED!

Our mother will now be released to us!

LangCleg · 05/04/2019 15:11

WONDERFUL NEWS!

(Shitty fucking CPS opposing it and saying she isn't "safe" for release. Fuck the fuck off.)

Popchyk · 05/04/2019 15:20

Yeah, she's only been granted bail. I say only but that is amazing for her sons to get their mother back.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/apr/05/sally-challen-released-from-jail-before-retrial-for-husbands-death

"The judge confirmed the trial would be transferred to the Old Bailey, setting a further hearing on 7 June and a trial on 1 July “if necessary”.

So the CPS still have to decide if it is in the public interest to retry Sally.

She's already served 8 years.

SpartacusAutisticusAHF · 05/04/2019 15:21

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Popchyk · 05/04/2019 15:33

BBC at it again. Hmm

They were taken to task by a lot of people with their gratuitously offensive "Hammer killer" references to Sally Challen.

So they've taken a different tack. Outright contradiction.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-47826786

Sally Challen bailed after denying murdering husband

"Lawyers for Mrs Challen, who has never denied killing her husband, asked for the murder conviction to be substituted to manslaughter but the panel of judges refused and ordered a retrial"

sawdustformypony · 05/04/2019 15:51

So they've taken a different tack. Outright contradiction

Confused. Don't see the contradiction myself. It seems to me that the BBC's headline is correct. Mrs Challen does deny murder, using the partial defense of provocation to reduce the offence to that of manslaughter.

Its now up to a fresh jury to decide whether there is evidence that she was sufficiently provoked.

staydazzling · 05/04/2019 16:48

I dont want to offend anyone or get flamed I'm just trying to unpack my thoughts as I feel a bit uneasy, but even with domestic violence at what point is there a line that says this is cold blooded pre meditated murder? he was eating his cornflakes she knew there was no threat to her life not like murder within an argument or something,

SpartacusAutisticusAHF · 05/04/2019 16:57

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sawdustformypony · 05/04/2019 17:09

staydazzeled

Seems that her defence will be based on the slow burn provocation. See this Guardian article

OrchidInTheSun · 05/04/2019 17:41

David has just tweeted that she's in his car and they're driving home! I'm so pleased for them. I hope she gets some good support to cope with everything. She must be so fragile

staydazzling · 05/04/2019 18:02

I understand coercive control but even taking that into account, taking a hammer to the house? what if women take this a green light to commit similar crimes, maybe I am alone in this Confused, I hope she's safe wherevet she is,

OrchidInTheSun · 05/04/2019 18:49

Stay - read the guardian article. I think she felt that she had to kill him or she'd never be free. And I think she was right. If she hadn't killed him, he would have killed her. Not that day maybe, but he would have.

Lichtie · 05/04/2019 18:58

Stay... I'm with you, the history should still be admissible though and considered in the sentence. That being said, imo only, you still deserve to be punished and jailed when you kill someone with a hammer, how long that punishment should be I don't know.