Bi-sexulaity currently taking a kicking over at the Guardigan

[Bebstar123]

www.theguardian.com/society/2019/feb/14/the-pansexual-revolution-how-sexual-fluidity-became-mainstream#comments

"Nick, a 22-year-old physics and philosophy masters student at the University of York, initially thought he was bisexual as a teenager, but also now feels “pansexual” better fits his view that attraction isn’t really about gender. “I just find characteristics generally about people attractive"... a bi person might find tall guys attractive, and short girls. But he tends to fancy tall people, regardless of whether they are male or female.

As a bi sexual female who thinks gender is social BS, I had been under the impression that bisexuality related to both sex attraction. Apparently not, thanks random 22 year old bloke, thanks for sorting that out for me.

nauticant I try not to overuse this word but that is disgusting. What on earth is wrong with people

If they fancied people of both sexes they’d be bisexual

I'm not convinced a bi- sexual man is going to be interested in a trans woman with breasts and a penis.

I'm not convinced a bi- sexual man is going to be interested in a trans woman with breasts and a penis.

You don’t have to be convinced.
But lots are.

I'm not convinced a bi- sexual man is going to be interested in a trans woman with breasts and a penis.

This is where pansexual comes in useful. Mix and match, no problem. Different to bi

Pansexual on the face of it looks lovely. Nice to everyone, all inclusive, the kind of things thoughtful and sensitive teenagers lap up.

But it also has a Trojan Horse aspect of being used to apply the label non-pansexual, expressed as monosexual, ie "bigot", on people who are attracted to one sex. And more often than not, that's women. Which is why this thread is attracting comments, it's unusual for this kind of judgement to be publicly expressed towards men.

It's feeding in to a lot of weirdness around bisexuality, tbh. There's a very clear implication that bisexuality is just about sex, whereas the pansexual is more open minded and appreciates the whole personality of whoever the person is.

It frames bisexuality as a fetish, much as the cotton ceiling bollocks attempts to do with Lesbians as 'vagina fetishists'. The actual sexual attraction definitions of homosexuality, heterosexuality or bisexuality are relegated, while 'pansexuality' is for the special people who are attracted to the deepest souls of others, rather than being bothered about the specifics of their bodies.

It's like they've taken the worst tropes against bisexual people, that we're up for sex with anyone and everyone, and put a veneer of 'actually, we're very deep' over the top to claim superiority.

Tall boys and short girls? Doesn't know his/her/they're/we're/ vous/wibble arse from their elbow

My definition of bi means attraction to two = male men and female women, no attraction to non-conforming or androgynous folk, that's included in pan

But what if you're a non conforming or androgynous bi person, like me? And for the record, I am attracted to a bit of androgyny, in both males and females, though admittedly get turned off by full drag as I'm not massively keen on too much make-up on anyone.

Bebstar fuck knows mate 🤷🏻‍♀️ like Calvinsmam said, we have our own definitions under the same bi umbrella. Maybe I need to slacken my definition a bit. I brake my own 'rules' anyway - if Shane from the L word counts

Break not brake!

Hmm... ancient Greek myths about naughty Gods, anyone? Or is it just a new level of speshul that wasn’t invented thousands of years ago?

Metaplasia "We all break our own rules"

Ha, don't we just. Good thing too, without that we probably wouldn't get that oh so wrong, but oh so right phenomena that is the 'hate fuck' or the lesser known, out of one conventional attraction zone 'weird fuck'.

Bebstar123 exactly! Take Rain Dove for instance, I think she's (he's?) attractive but don't particularly fancy her, but I can't help but think she'd be a brilliant fuck 😂

From what I gather, according to gender ideology, the term bisexual is literal violence transphobic because it limits humans to only two.

It is part of dangerous cis-normative "binary thinking" (which causes deaths of transpeople etc).
So unless you want to be labelled a bigoted transphobe, you're supposed to say "pansexual" as it means that you accept all the men, women, non-binary and quarter-phase genders that there are, that really there are, and you aren't claiming there are only two sexes to shag.

Bebstar those are preferences. There are only three sexual orientations.
Hetrosexual - attracted only to the opposite sex
Homosexual (gay/lesbian) - attracted only to the same sex
Bisexual - attracted to both same and opposite sex.
People can have perfectly valid preferences within their orientation, eg the majority of gay men are not attracted to males who present as females. Some bisexual people prefer very feminine women and very masculine men while others prefer androgenous men and women. Etc etc. Sexual orientation refers to biological status ie sex, not gender presentation.

They’re fucking egosexuals. All about the me me me. 🙄

Someone on AIBU the other week characterised themselves as demisexual. I still have no idea.

pretty sure pansexual is just woke bisexual, with a bit of judgement of bisexuals thrown in.

Demisexual is what I would like to call normal - it means you have to fancy someone/be in a relationship before you'd sleep with them. Again, an attempt to normalise the idea that you should open your legs to anyone that asks.

In the early 90's, my mate decided to come out as Bi to his mum (he - youngest child of five, his mum an experienced mental health nurse, seen a lot of life, been on the frontline of protests against S28).

"Mum, it's important that you know that I'm Bisexual. That means..."

"It means you're bloody greedy our Fred. Get on with your tea."

Anyone Trysexual? (try anything once )

Pansexual is specifically about genders.

They don't think TWAW or they would just define themselves as bisexual wouldn't they?

Bebstar those are preferences. There are only three sexual orientations.
Hetrosexual - attracted only to the opposite sex
Homosexual (gay/lesbian) - attracted only to the same sex
Bisexual - attracted to both same and opposite sex.

I know. I have said that consistently throughout this thread.

So apparently, the new TRA argument is that the following conversation:

A: Do you want to go to bed with me?

B: No, I don't, thank you.

Is actually a starting point for negotiation, and if B is unable to articulate a clear argument then their refusal is invalid. It's removing "no means no" and replacing it with "no means maybe, and you don't get to set the terms for the discussion".

@butteryellow
It's weird this need to label and describe perfectly normal behaviour as a distinct "sexuality".
I agree with you, i thought most people needed to have some kind of positive relationship or attachment to someone before they share intimate relations.
It's backwards, this tinder culture, where people shag at the swipe of a thumb but don't even trust their partners with their phones.

That's not a new argument from them, though. It's the heart of Riley Dennis's 'examine your preferences' videos.

They are always careful to say "You don't have to sleep with anyone you don't want to." because they know full well that shit wouldn't fly except in the most bonkers corners of activist Twitter.

But they always add quickly that they think that despite respecting your boundaries, you should think very carefully about your motivation for rejecting trans person. The only reason for you to do that is so that you can be guided into deciding that theoretically, you'd be ok with sex with a trans person, which is obviously the start of a negotiation, and at the very least is solely for the purpose of using you for the validation and ego of trans people.