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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

ITV News interview with Susie Green

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HandsOffMyRights · 14/02/2019 11:12

This has appeared on Twitter. A snippet of an ITV news piece on 'gender diverse' children.
We are told that the other 'side'of the debate will be aired tomorrow.

This coming from an organisation whose level of diversity stretches to pigeon-holing us into regressive sexist stereotypes.

twitter.com/mattpriceITV/status/1095993350514184192?s=20

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HandsOffMyRights · 14/02/2019 11:12

Matt Price (@mattpriceITV) Tweeted:
We've worked with the charity @Mermaids_Gender on an item about gender-diverse children. There are two sides to this debate of course - and we'll reflect that in item two tomorrow. t.co/43g6BHdLv6 twitter.com/mattpriceITV/status/1095993350514184192?s=17

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R0wantrees · 14/02/2019 11:25

There are two sides to this debate of course

Its not helpful or accurate to frame things this way.
(except for TRAs)

BigGoat · 14/02/2019 12:13

There are two sides to the debate

One based on scientific fact which aims to engage in discussion within the boundaries of the law.

Oxytocindeficient · 14/02/2019 12:52

I found this interesting in the comments

ITV News interview with Susie Green
RockyFlintstone · 14/02/2019 12:55

God the language and rhetoric being used around this is so frustrating. Questioning whether children should be put on a pathway from which there is no return is not 'being judgemental' or 'ridiculing' them.

FloralBuntingIsObnoxious · 14/02/2019 13:23

She always frames it as the nasty people stopping children presenting themselves to the world as they personally wish to. Because she knows that nobody will disagree that it's not right to force kids to be who they're not.

She sins by omission most of the time, it's all misdirection.

Melroses · 14/02/2019 13:39

It is all a triumph of PR over substance.

There are no 'two sides'.

OldCrone · 14/02/2019 13:50

Because she knows that nobody will disagree that it's not right to force kids to be who they're not.

It's not right to tell children that they can be who they're not. People can't change sex. She's peddling the idea that they can - to children who don't realise that they're being lied to.

There are no 'two sides' to this. There is fact-based reality, and there is a myth that people can be born in the wrong body, and can change sex to rectify this 'error'.

Threewheeler1 · 14/02/2019 13:53

To Susie Green everything is black and white. It's the only way she can understand the world - no nuanced debate allowed or perhaps there'd be room for self doubt?

CallMeWoman · 14/02/2019 13:55

Propaganda puff piece. They are scrambling. They know they look awful, the public is noticing what's behind the curtain, and what they see is regressive stereotypes and children being given powerful, untested drugs.

yetanotherusernameAgain · 14/02/2019 13:59

Only two sides? How terribly binary of them.

Qcng · 14/02/2019 14:02

Comments on that thread are mostly sensible.
When are they airing?

Needmoresleep · 14/02/2019 14:46

She is so creepy.

No flexibility. No unwillingness to consider another view, even an expert one. Its her way or no way.

I wonder if that has always been the problem. And that she and Jackie have so much invested, that even considering alternatives has become unthinkable.

R0wantrees · 14/02/2019 15:02

Regardless of her personal drives and relationship with her child, Susie Green is CEO of a children's charity which has a duty of care to all those involved, Safeguarding responsibilities as well as obligations under the Charity Commission etc

woollysocksforwinter · 14/02/2019 15:49

Was this shown on ITV news? Is there a link?

megletthesecond · 14/02/2019 15:52

It never ceases to amaze me that an organisation that claims to support gender diverse children promote outdated sexist stereotypes 🙄.

Katvonfelttipeyebrows · 14/02/2019 16:39

The twitter TRAS
You are evil
Blocked

Why aren't they worried about the desistance rate? Why?
Why don't they care about the majority of children for whom is it PROVEN to be a phase?

OldCrone · 14/02/2019 16:41

It never ceases to amaze me that an organisation that claims to support gender diverse children promote outdated sexist stereotypes

They don't support gender diversity. They support gender conformity. Alongside the lie that it's possible to change sex (in order to better conform).

HandsOffMyRights · 14/02/2019 16:42

As far as I can see, only one group has a problem with children's 'diversity' and it's not us ter*s or the general public!

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OldCrone · 14/02/2019 16:49

If Susie Green accepted diversity, she'd have accepted that she had a son who liked stereotypically feminine clothes, toys and activities, and wouldn't have cared that he had those preferences. She'd have accepted that he might grow up to be gay.

For Susie Green it was unimaginable that her child shouldn't conform to gender norms.

she and Jackie have so much invested, that even considering alternatives has become unthinkable.

I'd be surprised if this isn't the case.

MillytantForceit · 14/02/2019 18:36

We've just had the first 'side of the story' on Meridian. All the usual: 'Children changing sex'. All these transchildren seem to be born male.

Reasons for the sudden rise in referrals? "It's either that young people today are more confident in coming forward, or the pressures of society etc...'

Tomorrow, the 'other side,' an actual qualified professional child psychologist.

ALittleBitofVitriol · 14/02/2019 19:13

FloralBuntingIsObnoxious

She always frames it as the nasty people stopping children presenting themselves to the world as they personally wish to.

It's also pure projection because that's exactly what she and her husband did to their child.

lottiebel123 · 14/02/2019 19:18

TRAs are in total deny about destransition.
They either deny it happens in the first place or believe that it only happens to people who get abused as trans women, so feel pressured to transition back. They don't seem to care about the transmen/women who detransition because they feel that they made a mistake. In fact, they seem to actively detest them. They frequently mock, belittle and pour scorn on them. Perhaps they worry that the high numbers of detransitioners questions and undermines their ideology somewhat, I dunno?

HawkeyeInConfusion · 14/02/2019 19:24

I was reading a thread elsewhere about BPD and several posters said that the medical establishment wouldn't give a diagnosis of BPD before at least 18 and usually waiting until early 20s. Because they recognised that until then personality is not fully formed. So no diagnosis, no matter how closely the child meets the criteria. Because they don't want to misdiagnose.

If they can be so sensible about conditions like that, why are they so bloody stupid about gender non-conformity and GD?