This debate needs...violence, says Lib Dem candidate

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So sarah brown (erstwhile Cambridge councillor, introducer of non-EA2010 compliant policy on "gender", and active member of the LGBT+ Lib dems) thinks of the debate with feminists who don't support trans women:

Violence worked for the suffragettes"
"When you have a mere philosophical disagreement then violence is not appropriate, however these people are, at a aminimum, trying to eradicate us from the public realm"
"The gloves are off"

Worth noting that sarah frequently says that "t**fs" want her and other transwomen dead and want to eliminate them from the public realm.

I find this genuinely chilling. All heat, no light.

twitter.com/Docstockk/status/1095596093772099584?s=19

Are we trying to eradicate all men from the public realm just because we don't want them in female spaces? Having the legal status of a male human does not mean you have been eradicated or that you 'do not exist'.

So fucking disingenuous when women historically actually have been excluded from the public sphere and lack of female facilities like toilets has been a part of that.

Wait. Who wants them dead exactly?
I'd imagine they get more physical threats from men than "terfs".

That story catapulted this out of the ‘well all this metropolitan crap, nothing to do with me’ into a framing where someone just like the reader has been arrested for saying something the reader believes. That makes it personal.

As the 150 odd thousand shares of the Daily Mail article illustrates.

As newspapers realise that incredulity and out rage makes them a ton of money, this is just going to explode.

It’s language being weaponised.

Concern about an ideology is twisted into hatred of the individual. It’s like twisting ‘I have several problems with spaghetti monster theology’ into ‘kill all the pastafarians!’

It heightens the emotional tone
It positions the speaker as a wounded party
It allows the speaker to install fear in followers (they are going to kill us all! Dont engage with them! Listen only to me! Be fearful!’) once they are fearful they are easily controlled and isolated

It's incredible that people get expelled from the party for saying "TWATW" but others remain, and indeed are revered while they blatantly advocate and incite violence against women.

You ain't no suffragette bruv.

My thoughts to the exact word.

twitter.com/LGBTLD/status/1095708192737296384

LGBT LibDems tweeted that they have been asked for a comment by a journalist, and have given this statement:

Anti trans activists have recently been questioned by the police and appeared in court over threats of violence against transgender people. They have filmed themselves harassing human rights campaigners in the US. This is creating a climate of fear amongst trans people.

I'm not aware of anyone being questioned over threats of viol ence against trans people? Even Hayden hasn't said there were threats of violence. Harry the Owl, Margaret - no threats of violence. Linda & Venice's case was thrown out - no case to answer.

Linda & Venice's case was thrown out - no case to answer.

I think they would say that on a technical level their wording is correct. Very disingenuous and manipulative. But then think of the specific people we're dealing with here, the known individuals.

Let's face it, they call misgendering literal violence.

Quite.

Absolutel clowns.

And they can lie all they like. The lid is coming off.

I thought that lgbtq was falling apart from the inside?!!! It is...L want out, and it seems so do T too...too scared to be part of it so just leaves....

Threatening violence against anyone is a criminal act but against women, isn't it sexist hate crime?

Why do they have to lie?

Has this been reported as a complaint to the Lib Dems? Threats of.violence aren't acceptable to their party rules surely, but I suppose zero will be done.

It seems I have been deleted for misgendering (I presume) on this thread. I shall rewrite my post again 'correctly':

God, these women are just frothing at the chance to give someone a good old beating aren't they?

Hope that is better...

Concern about an ideology is twisted into hatred of the individual. It’s like twisting ‘I have several problems with spaghetti monster theology’ into ‘kill all the pastafarians!’

Yes, it's like the intersex thing.

'Intersex people have Disorders of Sexual Development, which is nothing to do with transgenderism'.

'OH MY GOD YOU ARE SAYING THAT INTERSEX PEOPLE ARE DISORDERD THAT IS SO BIGOTED, THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO EXIST STOP TRYING TO EXTERMINATE THEM'.

If you report it to the Lib Dems, I imagine they'll just deny responsibility like they do for the LGBT account, they say it's not an official part of the party so they can't do anything.

As responsible Lib Dem member - I should of course point you to the Make a Complaint form:

www.libdems.org.uk/making_a_complaint

That LGBT+ Lib Dem statement though:

We do not advocate violence; nor do we advocate harassment of trans people for speaking honestly about their fears in private conversations.

If this is re: Sarah's posts, these were public posts advocating violence. I hope Sarah hasn't been receiving harassment.

Sarah Brown has a google alert or similar set up on her name so will be reading this thread.

I sincerely doubt she is receiving harassment.

I have noticed she is very good at shutting down any mention of women's rights by first being sneering and dismissive, then going down the 'poor me, this is so painful to talk about again' route, and the wokebros instantly start fawning and pussyfooting around her.

I'm pretty confident there's only so long that one person can shut down any consideration of an issue among a bunch of intelligent, politically aware people. The realisation of what it means to accept that any man who declares themselves a woman instantly becomes a woman, no questions asked, will seep in gradually.

conatusnews.com/lib-dem-stonewall-sarah-brown/

these people are, at a aminimum, trying to eradicate us from the public realm

No. We're not. Trans people should have proper representation. But so should women, and while I'm sure there may be honourable exceptions, few transwomen holding or running for public office in the U.K. seem to have much understanding of women's concerns.

Women won't submit to being pushed out of public life, women's spaces or sports. But we will resist without threatening, let alone committing, violence.

Sarah did a great sadface in the local paper when FPFW were leafleting Cambridge.