Transsexuals leaving the Stonewall umbrella

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They really get what the issue is. Who Stonewall are really centring. And it's not them, no more is it people who are LGB.

It's incredibly brave of them to make that statement.

Risk assessements to identify which male transpeople are a risk to females can only take into account convictions. Its naive to think this is an appropriate tool.

Furthermore, it totally ignores the women involved. Of course, I don't know why I'm surprised.

It's allowing the men to determine the 'correct' reaction, the 'acceptable' criteria based on the men. Many women don't want any man, even if they're a bloody saint, in their space.

Again, I use the example of my father-in-law. Delightful, kind, wouldn't hurt a fly, but I don't want to get undressed in front of him and I don't expect other women to do so either.

This isn't about men. Despite many people being almost incapable of thinking otherwise.

It has to be a blanket segregation.

Agreed. Otherwise, we are back to "oh, but it's different for me" nonsense.

If you a penis-haver, you are male and do not belong in women's spaces.

Following the Stella O Malley documentary, I need to know whether a transsexual has a female partner and if so how they have been treated during the transition, before I can see them as anything other than wolves in sheep's clothing.

I'm with Shiela Jeffries on this.

Tinsel
The perspectives and experiences of women and chidren impacted by a male person's gender transition / expression is so important.

All women should be aware of other women's experiences such as on the transwidows threads here, the recent Radio 4 interview, speech by Abigail Rowland at LAWS Plymouth 2018 etc

(from 1:18)
"Abigail is a poet, writer and former teacher, also a 'former transwidow'

www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqxzLy0O-4E

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3473080-Powerful-R4Womans-Hour-transwidow-interview-with-a-woman-describing-the-devastating-impact-of-her-husbands-transition-on-her-their-marriage-and-children

I'm with Shiela Jeffries on this.

Speech at first We Need To Talk event (after Maria Maclachlan was assaulted at Speakers' Corner). Sheila Jeffries describes the transgender movement as part of mens's sexual rights movement and men's violence against women:

Sheila Jeffries important speech on the relevent International policy developments which have framed transgender/ cross dressing rights and International men's rights advocates:
'Inconvenient Women' event London June 2018

Speech at We Need To Talk November 2018
'The invention of gender dysphoria'

I do make a distinction between homosexual transsexuals who have body dysphoria and heterosexual AGPs

Its likely more complex than simply two groups as identified in the recent BMJ article by clinicians:
(extract)
"Regulated medical practitioners should follow a framework of evidence, not simply respond to client expectations. Creating that evidence to inform quality standards is an ethical imperative. We need research to explore the interplays between gender identity, mental health and neurodevelopmental problems, sexual orientation, autogynephilia, and unpalatable gender roles"

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3410257-BMJ-article-We-need-research-to-explore-the-interplays-between-gender-identity-mental-health-and-neurodevelopmental-problems-sexual-orientation-autogynephilia-and-unpalatable-gender-roles

It seems likely that in the past homophobia may well have exerted a powerful influence, so too sexism.

Yes I'm aware of Blanchard's typology Josepheen, I'm just increasingly cynical that there's much of a difference in practical terms.

Particularly when we allow them to appropriate feminism, this excluding their female partners.

Thus excluding

I do make a distinction between homosexual transsexuals who have body dysphoria and heterosexual AGPs

But unless you’re Layla Moran there’s no way to tell the difference.

I also think that they can set a magnificent example by broadening the bandwidth of what it means to be male. Reclaim male toilets, changing rooms, the Hampstead Men’s Pond. Show everyone that if men aren’t broadminded enough to accept them, it’s the MEN who have the problem & need re-educating.

Please do not underestimate how manipulative male transexuals can be. If you're in any doubt, feel free to have a look at the trans widows thread.

They're frightened that the TRA's will cause us to exclude all males from our spaces so they're being conciliatory in order to preserve the ground they already have.

And we allow them to parade all over gender critical feminism, and to stand on our platforms, giving no thought to how by doing so we are excluding their wives from having our support.

I'm becoming increasingly angry about this.

I do make a distinction between homosexual transsexuals who have body dysphoria and heterosexual AGPs. I wish the former could find a place in society without medicalising their desire to be women. They are a very small percentage of people. I wish the latter would keep their fetish to themselves and their co-fetishists.
I agree with this and support this statement, but still think sex segregated spaces should be maintained. I have sympathy for the first group, not responsibility for them.

Please do not underestimate how manipulative male transexuals can be. If you're in any doubt, feel free to have a look at the trans widows thread.

Regardless of a person's sex or gender identity, some individuals will demonstrate patterns of coercive & narcissitic control, abuse behaviours etc.
The patterns of gaslighting, use of 'flying monkeys', ghosting, isolation of victims etc are significant.
On MN I believe there's a long running thread, 'But We Took You to Country Houses' which is about parental abuse and the experiences of those who were victims of this and recovering?

Its about power, its use and abuse and recognising the impact on others.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3452784-Coercive-Control-a-need-for-better-awareness

This is a very well written piece. I congratulate them and hope more put their names forward. You know, I even shed a tear reading it. When it feels like you’re hitting a brick wall in every direction, this is like a ray of sunshine.

A company I worked for recently signed up to Stonewall as part of their diversity plans. As employees we were expected to accept and use their terminology (which includes cis - the bit I had an issue with) with immediate effect. No discussion. It felt like the start of something insidious. It was a factor for me leaving.

apologies, I should have added 'sexual preference' to the first sentence of my post above.

There is a current thread which includes some of the increasingly emerging voices of female experiences of transgenderism.
The impact on females is important there too:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3507109-Pique-Resilience-Project-young-detransitioned-women-sharing-their-personal-stories

I would love to see the day when women stop congratulating these males on how stunning and brave they are for not asking quite as much from us as other people are.