Onwards women!

[VeniceAllan]

I've decided to follow the trend and change my MN name to my real name. I apologise for my last comment on the JH thread. I ❤️ MN But it is a different format to the other platforms and I still haven't quite got my head round it yet!

Bloody hell, the last few weeks have been extremely stressful and divisive for all of us! A sort of crescendo of all the behind the backstabbing that I've seen going on since I got involved in this movement in July 2017 and from what I'm told, has always been part of any women's movement. Sheila Jeffreys told me that back in the day, women even threw bricks through each other's windows.

Does it matter if Posie is more working class than Bindel? That some women are just fighting against self ID while others reject transgenderism in its entirety? That some are staunch socialists, others politically homeless and our movement even includes religious conservatives?

Personally I think our diversity is our strength. We are not all friends or even comrades and we may viciously disagree. With this multi pronged (haha) approach we have achieved amazing things in a very short time here in the UK and women all over the world are now speaking and standing up to misogynistic gender ideology.

While social media is amazing for networking and sharing ideas, I honestly believe that the best way to get things done and make a positive change is to get together in real life. Who is up for a big social event in London soon? Post edited by MNHQ at OP's request to correct an inaccuracy

I will report your OP, Venice, and ask MNHQ to edit it to remove the references to Julia.

Have patience. It takes a little while if they're busy!

x

Venice @mnhq will delete your comments if you ask by reporting but sometimes can take a nudge. I think you may be also be able to get the OP changed. I don't know if they'll let you delete the thread because it is isn't fair to the other women who contributed to it.

I've reported and asked them to take out the unwanted portion of the OP as you've outlined, Venice.

I’d please ask to alter the comments themselves rather than delete the thread - with the greatest of respect to Julia (I genuinely do have masses of respect for her) this isn’t about her, and this thread has been a nice coming together of women along with discussions about planning an event. I didn’t read your comments as “Julia hates Rosa” I read them as “so what if hypothetical situation using well known names” which I’m assuming is what you attended - but fair enough if it mentions her, amend the comment, but please don’t delete the whole conversation.

Venice, if you're still reading, I'd just like to thank you from the bottom of my heart, not only for your activism in the UK, but for your (in my opinion) unfairly maligned US trip. I am an American and I cannot emphasize enough how under-the-radar the proposed radical changes to women's legal status are flying.

American media have a near-blackout on covering these issues, and if they do ever cover it they keep painting women as "anti-trans" instead of "pro-women." It is very frustrating, so I THANK YOU for doing what you have done to make noise and call attention to this pressing legislative issue in my country.

Ps
Can flowers and gin go on the Mumsnet radicalisation portal t-shirt please?

I've reported my post where I copied the OP and asked them to amend it to take out the identification. It keeps the sentiment, but doesn't specify people.

( Although I haven't mentioned the Posie/Bindle part)

I'm still reading!

Thanks for that Datun! I hope they can take the whole thing down and I'll start again

they'll edit it and leave it up, MN don't allow you to ditch your mistakes that easily!

Just popping in to say thank you for everything you’ve been doing, you all have my support

Thanks for that Datun! I hope they can take the whole thing down and I'll start again confusedwink

You could just start another one anyway? And talk about the gathering, and the reasons why, without naming people?

Then this one might die out.

Cos the more people who post here, the more it gets bumped up for people to see it.

Well said Venice & thank you. I couldn't have put it better my self. We are all ordinary women doing what we can to protect other women & girls. Females sadly continue to be the most oppressed group of people in the world which for me makes it even sadder when it's women berating women. I'm absolutely up for a social in London :D

It's ok, MN have been in touch and they are going to edit the OP

They've done it. And changed my post. Excellent.

Now where's the party?

Thank you for all you're doing Venice and for your lack of tribalism and ego.

Date's in the diary.

our diversity is our strength

I really believe this.
Thanks Venice. A cockle-warming post

No bricks, but I did throw a plastic bowl at my sisters head once. We were 12. She forgave me

Thank you to all the women (and men) who have stuck their heads above the parapet in RL.
Disagreement is fine so long as it does not distract us from our common goal.
I'm totally up for a London GC meet up.

There have always been divisions and differences of opinion within the women's movement. This is normal and healthy and keeps the thinking both active and critical.

My lovely old mum had many sayings, the 2 I remember the most, going right back to childhood are, "There's room for difference in the world", and "It wouldn't do for us all to be the same". She was a wise old bird my mum.

Have fun partying you southerners, us northern women will hug our whippets and pigeons close to our bosoms and raise a mug of stout to you on the 9th!

Too far away for London, but will raise a glass of to you Venice.

What is happening is too important to stop. There is room for disagreement and debate without personal attacks, we all have different backgrounds, political views, religions but we are all women standing up for ourselves, something our enemies hate.

I completely agree about our diversity. It is a strength.
We don't conform to groupthink because we are thinking and challenging ideas.

'Posie is more working class than Bindel'

Oh sure. And trans women are women.

Thanks MN for editing 😘😘😘