All Gender Bathrooms/Toilets

[Agrona]

www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/uts-has-introduced-allgender-bathrooms-in-support-of-gender-diversity/news-story/5dc27bfb00e86bbbbe12c16a909460d2

Another day, another diversity push.

In a club in Brighton

Unisex is one thing but this is purely for the benefit of the very very few? I’d be finding a nice quiet broom cupboard, dedicating in a Jiffy bag and leaving it in the liven hole of whoever thought this one up

I wish there was an eye-roll smiley.

Is one of those a merperson?

Means you don't have to join the (usually) long queue for the Ladies while the men are in and out of theirs.

Argona there is an eye roll type emoji
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If they'd just leave the male and female toilets as segregated-by-sex factories for male and female people, they wouldn't have to worry about excluding any genders. Because segregation by sex is already gender neutral. You can be any gender you like, or none at all but if you're of the sex capable of producing small, module gametes, you're free to use the male toilets. Asymetric blue short-ish hair, they/them/xie/he pronouns, and of the sex that is capable of giving birth? You're still welcome in the female facilities. Right along with every other female person. Inclusive. But, like, actually inclusive, not discriminating by personality or clothing.

"Factories" = facilities. (Notion of toilets as "factories", is kind of skeeving me out)

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Love it llangennith, but i was talking about the available Mumsnet smileys. (Yes I know there is a world outside Mumsnet.)

Segregated by sex factories? And toilets as factories? AnotherBewildered, I understand what you mean.

So the toilets are functionally identical to the unisex toilets but they've given them new signs to help affirm trans=people in their belief they are no longer the sex they were born?

This is part of a push to change language and replace the idea of sex with gender ID, even though the vast majority of people sex-identify rather than gender-identify.

I do think we have been unaware of the incredible loss of clarity by allowing the incorrect usage of gender instead of sex in so many places for so long. It's made it much easier for TRAs to subvert provisions that had previously been made for women and girls because of their biology and the costs that society has placed on their biology through the imposition of gender into a need that is important because we supposedly all share female souls or brains.

I think it's a wonderful idea. Now everyone is catered for, problem solved.

Women who want sex segregated toilets are not catered for.

I’m not catered for

I think it's a wonderful idea. Now everyone is catered for, problem solved.

Everyone was catered for before. You used the toilet appropriate for your sex. what this is doing is making women feel deeply uncomfortable and in certain circumstances very compromised.

Why?

Who has gained, and what is it they have gained, precisely?

According to the article, "While the university already has unisex bathrooms, some students felt this wasn’t inclusive enough."

So the uni has male/female already and now additional all-gender ones.

So everyone is catered for. Great idea and so simple.

My local university now has unisex toilets in its main building. Long cubicles, each with its own sink. In fact they're almost like little bathrooms. I'm sure it's perfectly safe, but it feels weird to me.

I’m not catered for. I don’t ever want to be able to hear a man in the toilets while I have my knickers down, no matter how much of an effort has been made to remove gaps. Every time I go to the loos, I’m reminded of what was done to me and having men nearby will absolutely destroy me.

And what about the tiny cameras that can be installed in perfect privacy? This is an epidemic in certain countries and I've no doubt it is growing here, if eBay's sales are any indication.

So it's ok to rinse your mooncup in the unisex toilet and men can't complain? Or is that too inclusive?

I actually don't use a mooncup but after reading in here that women rinse it in the commjnal sink of the toilet facilities I might be tempted

Just have self-contained cubicles with sinks. As long as they open up into a public space, they are not unsafe. I work somewhere where we have that and it works fine.

At my old schools, two different ones actually, they both had unisex only toilets. All of the stalls were complete with its own sink and dryer. Never saw an issue with it personally.
I'm not bothered about using the same toilets as men or trans.

Same doesn't go for changing rooms though.

They already have unisex toilets, so what is different about an all gender toilet? Why cannot all genders use a unisex toilet? By definition it is for everyone. I genuinely don’t get it.

It's the desire for affirmation Pale. That and a strategic effort to erase the idea of sex separation for intimate spaces and replace it with the idea of gender separation as the default.