man jailed after meeting 12 year old girl on a dating app who pretended to be 19

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Carl Hodgson, 27, brought the girl to his Manchester quayside apartment after he met her on a dating app - not realising she used a fake profile which claimed she was 'experienced'.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6679531/Office-worker-spent-night-12-year-old-girl-jailed.html

If you have sex with someone you don't know (and I have no problem with that) you take a number of risks. This is one of them. As an adult, you chose to take the risk and you live with the consequences. I'm sick of grown men dodging their responsibilities.

Exactly assassinated. People are so keen to blame the children in make up.

I have a 12 yr old.

I see alot of 11 and 12 and 13 year olds at pick up.

I've seen buses full of secondary school kids

Not one of them looked like or some like they were 19. Aged 12.

Its yet another way men get away or attempt to get away with being disgusting.

I didn't know she was 12 officer

She consented to being strangled it was an.accident officer.

Nah don't buy it.

If hes been using dating apps hes probably been catfished a hundred times and walked away when they weren't what they said they were.

Suddenly this ones ok?

Yeah whatever mate...

Spoke like

Something odd in the reporting / case.

We do not have a crime of "statutory rape" in the UK.

We have sexual activity with a child, sexual activity with a child under 13

Rape is a term used specifically for penetration with a penis without consent

He pled not guilty to rape and was found not guilty

However it was a charge and one that the police felt appropriate to level and the CPS felt right to prosecute over and they only bring charges where there is a reasonable chance of winning

So I think that the report does not tell the full story>
A strong suspicion has come from the police etc that the sexual activity was non consensual

Just wanted to raise that as it jumped out at me

Also men have been saying "she looked older" forever
Society has also been saying "girls grow up so fast" forever

Girls who are of secondary school age but under 16 can and do have breasts bums curves. Grown up faces. Of course they will have makeup and so on.

This has always been.

It is NOT that girls "look older". They look what they are.
Society and men in particular need to adjust their ideas of what girls look like.
Of course we know that lots of men judge by the body - if a girl has breasts then she's "old enough". They don't even look at the face, on the high street they ignore the school uniform etc. This is what needs to change.

I hope the authorities are looking into the reason this girl is behaving this way, if she has been abused in the past, and hunting those men down.
This is what they say isn't it, men who abuse kids, the kids then start acting out sexually quite often, then they are deemed knowlegable temptresses etc seducing poor innocent grown men. So men abuse and set the scene up for the men who come after.

I agree that he's a shitty person who probably treated numerous other women badly (the photos etc are indicative of this) and I'm not arguing that he's not guilty.
I think the verdict is fair and I don't even have an issue with the custodial sentence. It sends a clear message to other men that it is their responsibility to make sure their prospective sexual partner is of age, and blows the "she told me she was old enough" argument out of the water.
I was just pointing out that despite being a slimeball, he's not a threat in the way the other cases are. Persistent, escalating sex offences with no jail term. Is it just that this chap makes an easier bad guy? (Not a minority, not a father with kids, no learning difficulties etc)
Because it isn't going to matter to the victim which kind of man abuses them, the impact will be the same whether he's rich and clever or not. Hence why the sentencing not seeming to correlate with "danger to the public" being an issue.
A bit like the Brock case in the US perhaps, he got a super-light sentence because of his "future". And we dole out non-sentences because an unemployed father of six who hasn't let his wife learn English is needed at home (what for? Not wages, and presumably not childcare if she's at home all the damn time too).
The sentencing is predicated on the impact on the offender not the impact on the victim/public.

It’s really tricky. When I was younger a lot of my friends who were 13/14/15 were meeting people and saying they were much older. They definitely passed as older and would get served in shops and pubs from the same age.
Girls that have perhaps had to grow up before their time, could easily pass for a number of years older.
He had sexual contact and took pictures of a minor so he deserves prison. However, I’m not sure she should get off completely when she did lie about her age.

I spent a year teaching in a girl’s school. The girls were all obsessed by makeup and I can think of several year 8 girls who could pass for much older when made up. one of them was caught working in a bar using fake ID.

At 13 I looked much older - old enough to go to clubs on a weekend.

At the same time I have a friend who well into her twenties could pass for a school kid without make up. Looks can be deceiving.

I’m not sure she should get off completely when she did lie about her age.
I think she should. There shouldn't be any repercussions for her.

I'm happy he was jailed, and I think the sentence is ok, but I don't think he's on the same level as men who seek out children.
If he's someone who likes very young females, looking on an 18+ dating site is going around it the wrong way.
I think he has some defence, but at the end of the day it's his responsibility to check.
And like Seaseasea, when I was 15/16/17, girls my age were lying about their age to sleep with 19/20/21 years olds. And they were convincing too.

* I’m not sure she should get off completely when she did lie about her age.
I think she should. There shouldn't be any repercussions for her.*

As a social worker, this girl's behaviour tells me that she has already experienced repercussions.
12 year olds don't go on dating apps and lie about their age and hook up with older men unless they've already been exposed to sexual abuse.
12 year olds might have sex with other 12 year olds but even that is not all too common.

There was a main girl in my area who was widely known for going into the next city and doing this from about 13. When we were 16 ish the song ‘Plan B Charmaine’ came out and she became known as Charmaine to most people - To us as stupid teenagers it was funny but actually, looking back, she could’ve cost a man his future.
It’s difficult but no, I don’t think you should be able to ruin someone’s life by being deceitful and walk away with no reprocusions.

I have a 12 year old child. I know lots of 12 year olds - boys and girls. I don't know a single one of them who would seek out sex with adults unless they had been groomed or sexually abused. Very few 12 year olds are sexually active, even with their peers.

He knew.

I also remembered the case in Scotland and wondered how they got away with giving such disparate sentences. I’m not denying this guy is a slime ball but I’m not convinced he should be classed as a sex offender if the girl said she was an adult and convincingly looked older. The girl in the Scotland case fooled a number of people into thinking she was older, including the police. It is possible for a girl to pass for several years older. I can only assume the sentence in this case was different because the jury decided the girl didn’t convincingly look older?

When I was about 12 I looked like a child but my friend didn’t - she was fully developed and wore makeup and was having sex with a 23yo who had no idea about her age. I was with her when she met him and she told him I was her niece.

I don’t think you should be able to ruin someone’s life by being deceitful and walk away with no reprocusions

This.

If you are having a sexual relationship with a school girl, it's incumbent on you to find out how old she is. Go and meet up from school, go and meet her parents, take her to the pub and buy her a drink.

The only reason these blokes don't know how old these girls are is because they don't want to know.

I just can't imagine that 17,18,19,20 year olds etc are going to start asking each other for ID as proof of age, there are no doubt people who use these apps anonymously and wouldn't want to show ID anyway. I mean how would you prove it ? This is the problem if you start having sex with people you know nothing about.

However I have no particular sympathy for this man because of his awful texts afterwards and the sharing of his "conquest" with his mates.

I'm not sure this guy represents a real risk to society because he genuinely made a mistake. No doubt there will be mras saying the girl should be prosecuted for incitement to rape.

The most worrying thing is that a 12 year old girl is behaving this way in the first place. I hope she is getting the support she needs and deserves through all of this.

Think about it.

What's one of the most googled porn searches?
School uniform is way up there...

It's a fairly recent thing where kids stay in school by law till 18.

Barring a few six formers and the older ones of the class most school kids are by default under 16.

So men openly fantasise about school girls.

I expect even the lawyers and jurors have as dodgy an internet history as anyone.

she could’ve cost a man his future
She went to a different city from the age of 13 to have unprotected sex with adult men but she's some temptress who could have cost a man his future? No, that doesn't sit right with me.
The motivation isn't there. That's a damaged child looking for attention not a one-woman vigilante trying to get men jailed using the powers of her underage vagina!

To go all daily mail, how the hell does a 12 year old girl get tinder on her phone anyway, her parents should be ashamed.

The motivation isn't there.

I'm sorry, but we're you never a 14 year old girl with raging hormones ? I can quite believe the motivation was and is there, but this is why children need to be protected especially at this vulnerable age.

It's always gratifying to come back to FWR after a short break to see a bunch of adults blame a child for an adult male's criminal behaviour. It's so retro and 20th Century.

The child did not ruin his future, he did. There is no excuse for not knowing that having any kind of sexual contact with a child is wrong.

And if he's sent pictures of his victim to his pals, and they didn't immediately reply with "what the fuck are you playing at, you perv", then the chances are he has done similar before.

No she didn’t sleep with them for the sole purpose of ruining their future. But she was lying about her age so they didn’t tell her to get stuffed, she wasn’t thinking about why someone wouldn’t want to sleep with a 14 year old or the fact they could get arrested for it.
I think it mainly comes down to attention and feeling grown up (for Charmaine atleast) she loved that they could drive and buy her dinner and go to pubs whereas the boys our age were mainly hanging around in parks playing football and Pokemon.
She had a whole story about being a uni student studying English. I don’t think she nor the men she slept with were predators, but I don’t think if one of those man had been convicted she should’ve been able to walk away without being in some sort of trouble for lying.

I read about this in more detail somewhere else, can’t find the article now.

The girl in question was already under social services for going missing regularly. Her mother slept downstairs to stop her from sneaking out. She refused to give a statement against him, it was reported by her mother.

He boasted to his mate they had had sex but he was lying. He performed a sex act on her and took a photo and sent to his mates. As disgusting as this is, the photo sharing isn’t unusual amongst a certain section of young men. As an aside I refuse to watch that Paras programme which is on channel 4 atm after seeing a disgusting video leaked from one of them of a drunk girl engaging in sexual acts with multiple men. It’s disgusting and illegal obviously.

I have a 13 year old girl. She could possibly pass for 19 with a lot of makeup. She is fully developed and more “womanly” than me. She could probably hold a conversation especially with a “thick” bloke and not be pegged at 13